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Switching back to Firefox
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You guys were friends with Chrome?
Seriously! Even back in 2007 I was all "chrome is faster? Great, now Firefox has some competition" I never switched to chrome. You couldn't pay me to use that privacy nightmare.
I used it when it was new and google didn't seem so bad. Google even sent me one of the original Chromebook prototypes (CH-47) before they launched as a product for sale. i don’t know when it started to become clear that google was going evil, but around 10 years ago it was really obvious where things were headed.
i don’t know when it started to become clear that google was going evil
It was around the time they removed "Don't be evil" from their official philosophy.
I moved to Chrome after years of using Firefox when FireFox was having tons of issues that Chrome resolved.
Most of them are fixed now. Though it still has issues with selection boxes on some websites forcing me to use Chrome again for them. At least they're government sites, mostly, so there's no ads needing to be blocked... Yet.
i haven't used chrome in over ten years. i could never understand why anyone the least bit nerdy would use it, but that's autism for ya
Chromium does have a clean UI. I still use Librewolf but the Firefox UI is a mess
What UI? Both browsers render one line with tabs and the address bar below. They're almost identical.
For reals. This is the browser equivalent of being concerned that your car only has 14-way adjustable seats instead of 16, or whatever the marketing team dreamed up last year.
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What exactly is "clean" about a ui that doesnt conform to the os ui standards..? The ui is basically bloated because of it.
To me, the Chromium UI looks and feels like a toy...
Could you be more specific? I've been using ff regularly for a long time now and never feel like the UI is getting in the way, though I do use a tab groups add-on to help manage my mess of open tabs. But I also haven't used Chrome for even longer than I've been using ff, so I'm curious about what specific ways you think the chrome ui is better.
All the buttons and menu options are huge
In my UI (on desktop), tabs take up the title bar and all the other necessary buttons fit in the row with the address field. I've also got a bookmarks bar below that but it's optional. There's also the optional sidebar that I do use but mostly keep hidden.
For menus, there's the tab menu that is a button on the tab row and is mostly filled with open tabs plus 4 other items. Then there's the main menu with 19 items. Tbf, one is undesired (log in for sync) and at least 7 are redundant (as in if they weren't there, I'd still have easy access to their functionality), but I find menus are easier to discover features through (and hate how MS wants to get rid of them) and am ok with the redundancy.
There's also various context menus, but I've never found them to be obtrusive.
This is the state after some customization, but not a crazy amount. If I install FF on a new system, I can usually get it to a point where I'm happy with it pretty quickly.
If you mean the mobile version, I can understand that a bit more but personally prefer the screen space to be used up to expose more functionality. On mobile, I've felt like FF gives me the most power that feels closest to what I can do on a desktop, though tbf it's been a while since I used other browsers (excluding electron stuff or apps that integrate Chrome or Google Web view for web browsing rather than letting me use my preferred browser, though I've never felt happy with the more minimalist UI instead of the capabilities FF exposes).
I also haven't tried librewolf and don't know if the same UI is possible there.
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FF has been my daily driver for at least a decade, but I gotta test my web apps in everything :/
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so many webapps and logins dont work properly in ff. or lets call it AdFox for now while they're still selling us out to alphabet. so autism is when you just see black or white. chrome isnt bad overall...they have a UX, AdFox isnt good overall for too many reasons. i hope we'll get a real browser before the web is dead.
When have you used Firefox the last time, 10 years ago?
Right? What kind of wildly niche activities are people doing where FF doesn't work? All of my stuff works, and I've never had any weirdness. I browse art, shop online, do social media (a little), check my email, use auction sites, and watch Plex and other streaming services.
There must be an entire corner of the internet I don't even know about.
do social media (a little),
Don't worry, we all do social media at least a little. We're here, aren't we?
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I've been using Firefox consistently since the beginning in 2004. And Netscape navigator before that. And I have never had these issues you speak of. I never made the switch to chrome when it was released because I always hated the look of it. Firefox does everything anyone needs to do. I don't understand how some people struggle so much.
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If you haven't used Firefox in 3+ years, its improved a lot. For 99% of people its interchangeable with Chrome except for being in the Google ecosystem.
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Always has been.
Ublock is building a manifest v3 compatible extension, in case you want to compare the effectiveness of v2 vs v3 Ublock.
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/ublock-origin-lite/ddkjiahejlhfcafbddmgiahcphecmpfh
You mean Librewolf, of course.
There is no Librewolf without Firefox.
There is no Firefox without people's desire for privacy. There is no sufficient privacy without people removing the diseased fingerprint of multiple big companies.
There is no possibility of a big browser surviving, without caving to big companies, in the artificially hostile web created by Google's monopoly.
And that last one is fundamentally unfair, beyond any accusation of "Derivative!" anyone can make.
I actually switched back to Firefox (from chrome) about 5 or 6 years ago because I liked the interface more. And I still like the Firefox design decisions more than what chrome is doing.
Privacy is nice too but people come to Firefox for lots of reasons.
Hey let's not force the guy to move again privacy comes one step at a time.
This tbh. I know Mozilla has been up to some questionable things lately but I only just got a bunch of my friends to finally ditch Chrome.
There's only like one notable website I've had to use chromium for instead of Firefox.
The website for recalibrating a Google Pixel's fingerprint sensor. I've had to use that website twice, and I just used Microsoft Edge to do it since I can't uninstall it.
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The feature isn’t even mentioned in Mozilla’s data protection policies. The only way for users to turn it off is to find the opt-out function in a sub-menu of the browser’s settings.
Irritatingly, a Mozilla developer justifies the move by claiming that users can’t make an informed decision.
This is all IN ADDITION to them turning on DoH (DNS over HTTP) without permission which nullifies ad blockers.
We have heard this a million times. The feature you're referencing is a net positive for privacy and yet the zealots just cannot accept that fact.
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DNS over HTTPS is very good for privacy and security. Even Librewolf turns it on.
Putting ads in Firefox is bad in so many ways but encrypted DNS is good as it keeps DNS actually secure.
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Really enjoying Zen browser this week, may be my new favorite. The tab handling is VERY weird at first though.
I need the quick and easy profile switching management in Firefox like I have in Chrome and I'll never look back.
Didn't Firefox sell to Google recently or something like that?
no. they do get money to put google as one of default search engine. but IMO that's fine for now, as they need money somehow. And librewolf, for those who take it seriously.
They get sponsored to be the default search engine. Firefox developers cost money and being non-profit relies on dontations and sponsorship
Of course not.
Congratulations to a partnerships success coming from Google's payment being Firefox's main source of income.....
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