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[-] Nomecks@lemmy.ca 116 points 1 month ago

Nothing bad will happen, as long as they spare no expense.

[-] Telorand@reddthat.com 33 points 1 month ago

It's all fun and games until you're being chased down in your Jeep by a dodo.

[-] Nomecks@lemmy.ca 27 points 1 month ago

The lesson there is: Spare no expense on your IT budget!

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[-] Nomecks@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 month ago

Your financial problems are not my concern!

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[-] TomMasz@lemmy.world 84 points 1 month ago

The world they lived in is long gone along with the food they ate and the rest of their species. It seems almost cruel to bring them back.

[-] nyan@lemmy.cafe 86 points 1 month ago

Not that long gone—the last relict population on Wrangel Island only died out about 4000 years ago. That's (barely) within historic time. There are probably islands in the Canadian and Siberian Arctic that could still support them (and have no or few human inhabitants).

I see two big issues. First of all, not all knowledge among elephants is transmitted genetically, and I expect mammoths were the same. Who will the new ones learn from? They'll have to redevelop best practices for dealing with their environment from scratch.

Secondly, global warming. This seems like about the worst possible time to bring back an ice-age-adapted critter. We'd be better off transferring the effort spent on this project into de-extincting the thylacine, a more recent loss which doesn't have that specific issue.

[-] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 month ago

I’m fairly certain they are working on the thylacine as well?

[-] nyan@lemmy.cafe 12 points 1 month ago

Different group, I think, and not as close to success. The thylacine has a better chance at long-term survival if we do bring it back, though—it isn't an ice age creature, and it was surviving despite competition from other creatures in a similar niche until humans started aggressively hunting it down.

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[-] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago

It's not that long gone. There were still mammoths around when the pyramids were built. Plus there's still huge swaths of tundra and taiga that they could live on, with a lot of the same plants, even if it's quite a bit warmer.

[-] illi@lemm.ee 9 points 1 month ago

In the grand scheme of things the pyramids were built relatively recently, but I'd still consider it quite long ago

[-] stoly@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

Measured in human life it’s long ago. measured at universal scales, it was nothing.

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[-] AbouBenAdhem@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Not advocating for restoring the mammoth, but this is a dangerous line of argument.

With climate change and ongoing mass extinctions, many current species are or will soon be in the same situation that re-introduced mammoths would be—and you could use the same argument to say that trying to preserve them is cruel so we should kill off any current species facing environmental stress.

[-] Paraponera_clavata@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

They were here pretty recently, their food is still here. It was cruel that we extincted them.

[-] BirdyBoogleBop@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 month ago

Well pumpkins and avocados still exists at least and apparently they were grazers.

[-] stoly@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Nah. It’s still the same place. They died out within the time frame of completely modern humans.

[-] mjhelto@lemm.ee 4 points 1 month ago

It's worse when you consider the state of the world and the warming. They'd have about 20 sq\km of land capable of supporting them and they'd have to share it with those psychos, polar bears.

[-] StenSaksTapir@feddit.dk 51 points 1 month ago

I've said this a million times before, but if we're playing gods anyway, can't we make them dog sized also?

I would totally get one or maybe two.

[-] makyo@lemmy.world 33 points 1 month ago

Yeah you say that until you get a tusk in the crotch

[-] StenSaksTapir@feddit.dk 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

They'll be wearing stylish pool noodles on the tusks to minimize furniture and gonad damage.

Or we create them with softer tusks. Maybe that's better, the. They'll also be worthless to poachers.

[-] Threeme2189@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 month ago

I don't want to live in a world that has wooly mammoths with floppy tusks. It just seems wrong.

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[-] RecluseRamble@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 month ago

What about that trunk though? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[-] SpruceBringsteen@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

If they're like their cousins you don't want a pet that smart. Especially with a trunk. Good luck mammoth proofing your house.

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[-] vegeta@lemmy.world 35 points 1 month ago

I hope they have put a substantial amount of thought into potential problems that could arise. (Not that it will actually be like JP)

[-] SplashJackson@lemmy.ca 27 points 1 month ago

I hope whatever species that comes after us doesn't bring us back

[-] samus12345@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

No! They did it! They blew it up!

And then the apes blew up their society too. How could this happen?

And then the birds took over and ruined their society.

And then the cows. And then...I don't know, is that a slug, maybe?

Noooo!

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[-] MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 27 points 1 month ago

But why? We have no iceage anymore.

[-] Zron@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago

Obviously for the local petting zoo

Plus, mammoth burgers

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[-] ME5SENGER_24@lemmy.world 21 points 1 month ago
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[-] theDutchBrother@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago

"Your Scientists Were So Preoccupied With Whether Or Not They Could, They Didn’t Stop To Think If They Should"

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[-] kandoh@reddthat.com 17 points 1 month ago

Everything outside of cities should be a nature reserve and we should clone extinct megafauna to put in zoos

[-] shottymcb@lemm.ee 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Enjoy eating rocks, I guess?

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[-] MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 month ago

Maybe in 100 years, with how underfunded research in vertical farming is.

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[-] Tudsamfa@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)
  • Step 1: acquire genetic material
  • Step 2: supplement material with closely related extant species <- We are here
  • Step 3: Get an egg cell with your Frankenstein-DNA to survive and divide
  • Step 4: Produce a healthy baby
  • Step 5: Get a small population in a Zoo/Park
  • Step 6: have a permanent wild population in a specific area
  • Step 7: have enough of those areas to declare repopulation a success

Is fixating on the mammoths here first-world centrism? The article mentions 4 other species that have way better chances. Also, given how far we are from actual wild mammoths, that "it can solve climate change" argument is just wrong the way it's been presented.

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[-] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago

we have no idea what happens next

Make a variant with multiple butts

[-] Treczoks@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

Or make is exactly the size on the picture, where the mammoth fits in a petri dish.

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[-] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago

I have an idea: Mammoth burgers

[-] 7U5K3N@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 month ago

Worked in the docudrama "the Flintstones"

[-] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 1 month ago

It's amazing that people are still wasting resources on this kinda stuff while the planet burns.

[-] essteeyou@lemmy.world 28 points 1 month ago

Not everyone can work specifically on the one thing you find most pressing. Some people are hairdressers, some people work in a supermarket, some people are learning about genetics, some people are actors.

The platform you're posting on isn't essential for saving the planet, should it still exist? The servers it uses create pollution.

[-] daddy32@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

I don't know, bringing back some of the species that this burning caused to go extinct - instead of the celebs mentioned in the article - would be nice.

[-] Hydra_Fk@reddthat.com 5 points 1 month ago

Some degenerate gonna fuck that mammoth!

[-] latenightnoir@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

To be fair, I think research on mammoth cloning started a good while ago and, if scientific research is anything like a start-up (spitballing here, I have no clue), doing a massive reorientation mid-process ends up costing more in the long term. At this point, it'd be easier to just finish figuring stuff out with mammoths then adjusting and applying the process on other entities/purposes.

Still MFW we're cloning woolly mammoths on a boiling planet. Lol. Lmao, even.

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[-] Bookmeat@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

Poachers. Poachers are next.

[-] Alwaysnownevernotme@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

I hope it's pet pygmy mamoths

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[-] atrielienz@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Does anyone else feel like this is irresponsible? Like, I get it, humans have been destroying the ecosystems of endangered and extinct animals for awhile now. But the world is actively warming up. And even if this is successful, how do we create enough of them to survive and procreate without defects etc. And where the hell will they live? I just have some concerns.

[-] stoly@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

Nearly every species ever has gone extinct. What you see around you are those few species that made it to the present. So, yes, on one hand it doesn’t matter. On the other hand, a new population of elephants isn’t going to affect the world and we can appreciate them.

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[-] simplejack@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago
[-] sweetpotato@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

So we're talking about de-extinction at a time when 70% of the planet's biodiversity has been lost in the last 50 years?

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