If I am reading the situation wrong, I apologize.

The reason that I am not a member at beehaw was because they were overly wrapped up in concerns such as this one. I'm here for enjoyable chats with people, not to take sides in the latest macro-politics or causes or whatever lately is stirring the pot or making the winds blow. These things are fine and some people are interested in them, but I'm turned off by the idea of an instance that is particularly identified one way or another when I am not concerned with any of that.

What I'm looking for are kind souls that share an interest in technology and an instance that was widely federated so that a wide variety of my interest groups (music, weightloss, networking, ancient Stoicism) are available. That's why I joined here. SDF has been around a long time and many who have enjoyed its offerings have held many different opinions and yet shared this resource peacefully.

I'm particularly turned off by people that want a silo with only the right causes, only the right thinking, only the right speech.

That doesn't mean we shouldn't have management and protection of against those that are unkindly trolling or actively trying to do technical damage. Ban those actually doing evil. But if people of good cheer share different views kindky as neighbors and friends, I have no problem with that and don't want to see that roped off.

Remember the two rules of FidoNet? "Don't be excessively annoying. Don't be easily annoyed." That's all I'm saying.

I joined this instance because it doesn't block/ defederate. Everyone can pick what they want to see cutting it off is stupid.

I seriously doubt sdf.org will defederate due to political, religious or other kind of views unless some kind of danger to its users is involved, and even then I'm pretty sure we would go to ARPA votes over it. While the instance might be recent the community behind sdf.org is ancient (I say this with my utmost respect for them ) so yea, not their first rodeo or last one. If you don't like the views of those instances feel free to block them yourself. Best regards.

I'm not in favor of defederating over political preference at all. I don't come to this instance expecting an echo chamber, and an echo chamber is precisely what I do not want.

Imo deferderating should be a last resort. And so far I haven't seen any excessive cases of people coming over and breaking the rules of this instance.

Yep, exploding heads is a cesspool.

Yes, please. I'm very much in favor of this, too.

The exploding-heads troll communities are tongue in cheek, and intended to rustle your jimmies. You're taking the bait.

If they have anything interesting or non-hateful to say they'll say it on another instance. The hate they spew is only on these instances because the admins are hateful.

If there is a vote I will vote to defederate and I'll sleep perfectly well because the slippery slope fallacy is just that. If I want to see their hateful garbage I'll sign up for an account there.

I don't like right wingers either but I do not believe that suppressing speech helps anyone (unless people start doxxing, swatting, dogpiling, etc) but I just went to check out exploding-heads and the first I saw was this clip of a Pfizer representative admitting that their employees got a different COVID vaccine in a senate hearing. I mean, can someone debunk that? Is it just taken out of context? Is the video doctored? Is this "fake news"? If so, provide data and sources. If you suppress something like this you're not doing anyone a favor.

And now that almost 80% of the population are vaccinated anyways, the "vaccination hesitancy" argument doesn't really hold value.

Just went through some other posts there and I don't agree with a lot of their takes. Reading their rules I see no reason to defederate.

What these people do makes no difference to me unless significant numbers of annoying posts end up in my "all" feed. But for that to happen, large numbers of people would have to engage with them. So don't do that.

It's probably better that our edifying posts are filtering into their feeds. They might learn something.

I have to wonder if the people staunchly against defederation at any cost ever dealt with redditors from hate subs following them around reddit from sub to sub everywhere they posted to keep screaming at them about trans women not being women, while also repeatedly reporting them to Reddits suicide bot to try to make them think about suicide. It's not exactly the nicest online experience and I had it more than once in my time on reddit.

To me the benefit of federation includes defederation. If it was easy to just say "get rid of all the users from r/hatesub" on reddit it would have been a lot nicer. I don't know why people are clamoring to keep hateful shit around. Go join the hateful shit instance if you want to read it so bad but I'd rather the users of an instance like that not be able to see me at all since queer people like me are who they hate so bad, and I can't exactly block all of them.

I would suggest just not subscribing to any communities on that site. Let's not turn everything into a defederate ~~war~~ debate.