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[-] fiat_lux@kbin.social 136 points 5 months ago

Hm, 5 year old journal, with the editor board, funding and half of the authors all from the Chinese Academy of Sciences, but significant hospital contribution. I remain skeptical of the headline but hopeful of the science.

[-] charles@lemmy.world 72 points 5 months ago

Well if it's real, it will be a no brainer Nobel prize, so it certainly won't be the last we hear of it in that case.

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[-] LeroyJenkins@lemmy.world 17 points 5 months ago

I mean even though the CAS is a state organization of China, they do still put out real science. they have real researchers working with and for them. I'm honestly more concerned about what they don't put out than what they do.

[-] fiat_lux@kbin.social 9 points 5 months ago

For sure, I just get antsy when peer review doesn't come from from external sources

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[-] hOrni@lemmy.world 86 points 5 months ago

And it will be provided for free to anyone who needs it, right? Right?

[-] dogsnest@lemmy.world 55 points 5 months ago
[-] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 12 points 5 months ago

Hey, don't forget Yemen, South Africa, Nigeria, Egypt, Pakistan, Iran, and Sudan!

A fine group to belong to, we can all agree.

[-] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 40 points 5 months ago

Banned for national security

[-] dogsnest@lemmy.world 22 points 5 months ago

Free + $46,000 in Ch-China tariffs.

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[-] Sam_Bass@lemmy.ml 70 points 5 months ago

'Further studies are needed for validation.' Understatement of the year

[-] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 10 points 5 months ago

I'm hopeful but wary. Medical science keeps being the one thing left in this world that consistently makes me happy to be alive in modern times. This would be a great breakthrough.

[-] MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 60 points 5 months ago

Type 2, since the article doesn't say.

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[-] MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 22 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Yeah but the person "cured" had type 2.

There might be applications for type 1, but that's speculation.

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[-] Schadrach@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 5 months ago

Important to know. Reading on how it works on the article, I wonder if it could be used for type 1, likely in combination with some kind of drug therapy to prevent the body from just killing the new islet cells.

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[-] ofcourse@lemmy.ml 56 points 5 months ago

New trade restrictions coming soon on Chinese pharmaceuticals.

[-] Sibbo@sopuli.xyz 16 points 5 months ago

True. How could it be a free market if corporations are not allowed to form a cartel and agree on a price for a product that is literally vital for many people?

[-] deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz 43 points 5 months ago

Curing diabetes is not in the shareholders' best interests.

[-] Shameless@lemmy.world 19 points 5 months ago

I mean it is... They could literally have a cure that they can sell to millions of people around the world, as well as millions more who will contract diabetes in the future.

I don't understand this conspiracy and companies don't want cures. I can understand scepticism around pharmaceutical companies for all the awful shit they've done, but it doesn't mean that scientists and researchers will never be able to produce cures.

[-] Asafum@feddit.nl 10 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I don't exactly subscribe to the conspiracy but I can understand it as it's related to "planned obsolescence." Companies don't want to sell you a quality product that will last "forever" they want to sell you something that's just good enough to work for a bit, but will absolutely break or be replaced very soon so you become a repeat customer as opposed to a one time customer.

The same logic applies here with the medication, why would they sell something once even if there were new future customers, if they could instead have everyone on a "subscription" of sorts?

The conspiracy exists because we see it play out in every other facet of our society/economy. Everything is becoming a subscription, you don't own anything, every product a corporation makes is almost complete garbage, etc... I'm not sure I believe it 100% but I wouldn't in the slightest bit be surprised to find out that actually was the case.

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[-] NeatNit@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 5 months ago

Does this logic apply in China?

[-] Emmie@lemm.ee 42 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

It’s sad to see USA so shackled by pure capitalism that it starts to lose its scientific edge left and right while drooling libs jerk off to the big pharma freedom of unrestrained gains. Still believing they have a chance for a piece from the cake if only they squeeze their cheeks a little harder.

[-] KredeSeraf@lemmy.world 19 points 5 months ago

I am super confused by your take here. Liberals who, and let's be clear, regularly push for better if not universal health care (and are the only major party to do so) jerk off big Pharma to you? How exactly do you get to that conclusion?

[-] Emmie@lemm.ee 15 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Liberals means different things around the world. Here it means free markets circlejerkers, Adam smith cultists, invisible hand of the market preachers while at the same time anti lgbt for some reason. Pro freedom but anti freedom. Full of paradoxes. Neonazi too and even conservative despite based around free market peddling.

After all we live in a post truth word where even people who agree with each other cannot communicate anymore due to shifting meaning of the words thanks to the politicians and media.

How can we even converse if the words itself are stolen, changed and used for war? Do we need to use mathematics instead of language if the latter is disfigured beyond recognition? Changed into a tool of some demagogue?

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[-] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 7 points 5 months ago

Liberal = laissez faire

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[-] UmeU@lemmy.world 34 points 5 months ago

If this were true, I wouldn’t be finding out about it on Lemmy

[-] zephyreks@lemmy.ml 44 points 5 months ago

Lemmy is a news aggregator. Why wouldn't you find out about an early-stage clinical trial on Lemmy?

Any such treatment, even if it works, would take decades to pass through the various approval stages before being released to the public.

[-] UmeU@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago

The headline isn’t ’early stage clinical trial starts the multi-decade process of developing a cure for diabetes’… the headline reads ‘diabetes has been cured’

Alls I’m saying is that if the headline as written were true, we would be hearing it from all news sources at once, not just some single post on a somewhat obscure news aggregator.

[-] TheObviousSolution@lemm.ee 12 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

To be fair, not much of a demand for such a permanent cure in leading profit driven health care systems where diabetes medicine is gold. How about MSN? https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/other/world-s-first-diabetes-cure-with-cell-therapy-achieved-in-china/ar-BB1n7cNA

Though one does well to be skeptical yet.

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[-] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 31 points 5 months ago
[-] Ragnarok314159@sopuli.xyz 9 points 5 months ago

Remember, it was the Chinese labs that also reproduced the room temperature super conductor experiment a few years ago and also found their own material…and then it all turns out to be complete bullshit.

One patient doesn’t mean anything. It’s great if it’s real (having worked directly with China for engineering, I have zero faith this is even a real thing) but there is a lot of reason to doubt at this point.

[-] DarthYoshiBoy@kbin.social 30 points 5 months ago

So this is neat. Potentially life changing for some type 2 diabetics, but that depends because some t2 diabetics are not failing to make enough insulin, they're just no longer sensitive to it at a level that makes it functional for them. I suppose it's possible that this therapy could cause them to grow enough islet β cells to overcome their lack of sensitivity, but (and I'm a type 1, not a type 2, so maybe my info is incorrect here) that lack of sensitivity can grow with further exposure to insulin making this a stop-gap at best for those cases absent other therapies.

...and with all of that said, being able to regrow islet β cells has never really been the problem for type 1 diabetes. You can regrow all the islet β cells you'd like and it's not going to cure the underlying immune disease that has caused your immune system to kill off all of your islet β cells to begin with. Unless you can figure out why t1 diabetes causes one's own immune system to go psycho killer on their islet β cells, you've done nothing to "cure" diabetes. Without being able to suppress that impulse for your immune system to murder your own cells, any ability to replace the islet β cells is going to be temporary at best, and probably a waste on the whole.

My brother in law is a "cured" type 1 diabetic, by virtue of his having had a kidney replacement and being on immune suppressing drugs for that. Since they were already replacing the kidney and he was going to have to take immune system suppression medications for that, they also just replaced his pancreas at the same time and the suppression of his immune system has allowed the new pancreas to thrive and continue to make insulin. Easy-peasy. The only trade-off is that he is super immunocompromised and can be killed by common colds, so not a great strategy in general.

[-] joewilliams007@kbin.melroy.org 29 points 5 months ago

idk sounds a bit sus

[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 29 points 5 months ago

presses X to Doubt

[-] walter_wiggles@lemmy.nz 26 points 5 months ago

Destroy corporate healthcare by curing diabetes.

[-] SeattleRain@lemmy.world 20 points 5 months ago

Why is everyone online so incredulous of this breakthrough? Is it just Sinophobia or are there reasons to doubt Chinese medical findings?

[-] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 43 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

There’s reason to doubt all sensationalist medical headlines

But this is 1 patient, no long term effects studied (just doesn’t need insulin injections), and hasn’t been validated

Nothing to do with China

[-] Sublimefly@lemmy.setzman.synology.me 24 points 5 months ago

Because in the past we've seen a number of similar headlines that never became reality, so people are naturally skeptical.

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[-] tooLikeTheNope@lemmy.ml 17 points 5 months ago

Oh crap! If this is true then avoid spending a ton of money in insulin supplies each year could give an actual reason to politicians for reducing the healthcare state budget, which they normally do at every occasion just without a proper explanation... I don't know if my mind is ready for rationality in politics /s

[-] taanegl@beehaw.org 7 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Here is a thread of whiney redditors who just discovered the fediverse. Enjoy.

"Hurpa durpa durp, unserious joke about the Chinese wanting to kill Americans, but they create a vaccine for one of the deadliest diseases in the US hurpa durpa duhr"... now take it completely and utterly seriously. GO!

[-] protist@mander.xyz 9 points 5 months ago

Type I diabetes has absolutely nothing to do with weight, it's a disorder of the pancreas that's mostly genetic. The rates of all forms of diabetes taken together in China and the US are almost the same. I'm sorry if this science flew over your head yo

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[-] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 5 months ago

EDIT: dunno why, but because Beehaw, I can't actually see the comment below. So I'll answer here...

Beehaw defederated from a lot of the bigger instances because someone hurt their feelings or whatever. So now you miss out on the majority of lemmy content including comments. I would suggest creating an account with a different instance so that you can experience the entirety of the community.

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