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[-] YtA4QCam2A9j7EfTgHrH@infosec.pub 218 points 6 months ago

It’s wild how these people just can’t fathom that they are the problem.

[-] orbitz@lemmy.ca 150 points 6 months ago

Every once in awhile these sort of posts make me introspective, they say almost exactly the same as my opinion about what I think of far right conservatives. Then I remember I'm not the one oppressing people and want to accept everyone as long as they don't bring intolerance.

[-] CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social 71 points 6 months ago

Something to remember I think is that just because people on both sides of an issue talk the same way about the other side, does not inherently mean that both or neither have a point.

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[-] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 100 points 6 months ago

I guarantee you within 5 minutes of seeing/talking to his kids, he mentions trump and dives hard into his extreme right politics.

But its everyone else that has "Trump Derangement Syndrome", not him and his incessant need to make it the center of his life.

[-] TheFriar@lemm.ee 37 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I mean, he admits to not being there when his kids were growing up. And he spends the time talking about his offspring’s family and their “values.” They have the kids, so they’re obviously willing to keep tolerating him if the kids get to see him enough that they are “the light of his life” or whatever. But he’s still talking about how he doesn’t know if he can stand to have a further relationship with his kid (that he wasn’t around to raise) and their spouse. Because politics.

So…I don’t think this guy’s probably on the right side of any issue they have.

[-] Supervisor194@lemmy.world 21 points 6 months ago

But he will always love his grandchildren, because surely they won't ever espouse opinions he doesn't like... right???

[-] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 14 points 6 months ago

grandchildren are still young enough to be cowed into only saying what grampy wants to hear.

When they get older he'll turn against them too.

[-] Crashumbc@lemmy.world 42 points 6 months ago

That's how the religious indoctrination at the base of this works. By design you NEVER question the church. And the Conservative GOP leadership has tapped into that reality distortion field. They could literally tell these people to commit murder and they would...

It's Nazi level propaganda scary.

[-] OsaErisXero@kbin.run 35 points 6 months ago

They could literally tell these people to commit murder and they would...

They did and they do.

[-] BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 30 points 6 months ago

No estranged parent ever does.

(For anyone that wants to know more: http://www.issendai.com/psychology/estrangement/)

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[-] tacosanonymous@lemm.ee 18 points 6 months ago

It’s crazy. I know I’m part of the problem too. These people need something other than factual rebuttals to bring them back into the fold but I’m le tired. I can’t do it anymore. But that means the system is working as intended and we must strive to dismantle it.

[-] bostonbananarama@lemmy.world 24 points 6 months ago

I’m le tired

Well, have a nap...then fire the missiles!!

(hoping you were making this reference, or this comment is going to be super weird)

https://youtu.be/Pk-kbjw0Y8U?si=zWvWdQKsOsLiubEu

[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago

I'm just starting my deeper learning about narcissism, but I think one trait is literally being unable to admit fault. It's how their brain works.

[-] randoot@lemmy.world 105 points 6 months ago

patriarchy : social organization marked by the supremacy of the father in the clan or family, the legal dependence of wives and children, and the reckoning of descent and inheritance in the male line

"They don't value patriarchy". It's not meant to be a positive thing you idiot.

[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 34 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

They can't say "Christian values" anymore, so they've replaced it with "family values", and in this case the more brazen "patriarchy" (which probably came from bashing feminism) and various scattering of "values".

[-] EdibleFriend@lemmy.world 28 points 6 months ago

It doesn't even have horses

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[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 78 points 6 months ago

"When I retired I tried to rebond with my kids"

So you were always a bad father.

[-] pigup@lemmy.world 23 points 6 months ago

Exactly. Good parents don't have to rebond with their kids.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 27 points 6 months ago

Even mediocre parents. My dad wasn't that great a parent and we still had a bond until the day he died.

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[-] stoly@lemmy.world 16 points 6 months ago

Exactly. This person may very well suffer with some degree of narcissism, which would make it impossible to see their own responsibility in the whole thing, hence the projection.

[-] Drusas@kbin.run 61 points 6 months ago

This post reeks of "the missing missing reasons".

[-] jballs@sh.itjust.works 32 points 6 months ago

Thank you! I had heard that term before and was racking my brain trying to remember it, because it seemed to apply to this situation so well. My mom is like this with my older brother. They've been no contact for over 15 years now because my mom said some racist things about my sister-in-law and niece. But when she describes why she doesn't talk to my brother, that is never mentioned. It's always vague reasons like "his wife won't let him talk to me."

[-] dexa_scantron@lemmy.world 28 points 6 months ago
[-] jballs@sh.itjust.works 8 points 6 months ago

That's the exact article I was thinking of!

[-] dexa_scantron@lemmy.world 13 points 6 months ago

The whole "they sent me pages and pages of abuse but they won't tell me why they cut contact!" is wild. You can read. Read.

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[-] BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 14 points 6 months ago

It's SO good. Facebook is riddled with these parents.

[-] slaacaa@lemmy.world 48 points 6 months ago

The thing is, if grandpa were to shut up about Trump and the sins of the gays, then his family would actually hang out with him, even if they know he sees the world differently.

[-] LifeOfChance@lemmy.world 40 points 6 months ago

I hate how politics went from having disagreements but still being civil and friendly to if you disagree on something you can't even be in the same country because "you're what's wrong" with it.....

[-] Asafum@feddit.nl 25 points 6 months ago

That's propaganda for you. It started with debates, but when you're pushing for something that's obviously bad to enrich yourself it's hard to have honest conversations about it so you turn to hate.

"Let's not discuss tax rates, it's the damn communist liberals that just want to destroy America! They don't care about tax rates, they just want free unicorns and to dress their kids as furries!"

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[-] echodot@feddit.uk 37 points 6 months ago

He's just got a new kid in the family and he sees it as an opportunity to berate everyone for not having his worldview. Yeah those guys definitely not the problem.

[-] Immersive_Matthew@sh.itjust.works 35 points 6 months ago

Lots of projection here.

[-] Churbleyimyam@lemm.ee 25 points 6 months ago

At least at the end he says he loves them all and wants there to be an end to division.

Too many families (and societies currently) completely break apart out of ego and stubbornness.

Grandpa is having a big old moan (semi-publicly unfortunately) about differences in values. But he is concluding with love and longing for togetherness, which is exactly what is needed to transcend the beef and intolerance.

I was expecting to dogpile this but actually I see the redemption in it.

[-] PM_Your_Nudes_Please@lemmy.world 36 points 6 months ago

If this person is truly narcissistic as the title states, then the call for unity at the end is simply a method of playing the victim. And I’m inclined to believe the title, since his child has gone no-contact. Because going no-contact is often the only way for children of narcissists to begin improving their own mental health after growing up with a narcissist for a parent.

If there’s one thing narcissists love, it’s turning things around on their victims. They always want to control the narrative to be the victim. Given that context, the call for unity rings hollow. Because it could easily just be a way for the grandfather to flip the script and paint their child in a bad light. It allows them to go “hey I’ve been trying to reconcile and they have refused.” But what the people reading this post wouldn’t know (especially if they’ve only seen the grandfather’s side) is that the child has been refusing because every time they have tried in the past they have been burned.

[-] HottieAutie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 6 months ago

If there’s one thing narcissists love, it’s turning things around on their victims. They always want to control the narrative to be the victim.

DARVO: Deny, Attack, Reverse Victim and Offender. Narcissists are unbearable.

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[-] stoly@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I don't see the redemption. This person was obviously a horrible father always and caused his children to suffer his behavior. Whatever happened with Trump was just the icing on top of the cake and only gave a place for these behaviors to be projected.

[-] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 8 points 6 months ago

I'm getting the impression that they "re-bonded" after retiring because their ex cut them out, and the divorce was a result of their ego and stubbornness.

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[-] danc4498@lemmy.world 22 points 6 months ago

Narcissistic parents are a real thing that some people need to learn about.

[-] MalachaiConstant@lemmy.world 16 points 6 months ago

I stopped being so open about the fact that I disowned my narcissistic mother, at least among strangers. I got sick of all the arguments from people who would also want nothing to do with her, if they ever had to misfortune to meet her.

She is a nasty, vindictive, obsessive person who goes out of her way to hurt people. She sees people as tools to manipulate, not as human beings. The only relationships she has ever been able to maintain are with people too afraid of her to leave.

But sure, tell me again how blood is thicker than water.

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[-] BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago

Agreed. People who don't understand how you can be estranged from your parents have NO idea how crazy they can be.

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[-] Granite@kbin.social 19 points 6 months ago

Projection is their go-to coping strategy

[-] BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 37 points 6 months ago

I just reviewed a bunch of posts like his and the comments are like this:

[-] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca 33 points 6 months ago

my daughters think abortion is cool and my son thinks communism is awesome

Based

[-] BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago

Yes all us commies are just lined up to have an abortion so we can be the cool kids.

[-] jballs@sh.itjust.works 26 points 6 months ago

Lol I like how this dude reads the very basic textbook definitions of Marxism, and is like "look how this describes how fucking awesome Marxism is!"

He's probably been told his whole life that communism is the hatred for all things American, so seeing any other definition makes him think he's reading a sales pamphlet.

[-] dexa_scantron@lemmy.world 12 points 6 months ago

I went to a Christian University and I'm leftist as hell.

[-] greenhorn@lemm.ee 11 points 6 months ago
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[-] Infynis@midwest.social 9 points 6 months ago

So close, but at the same time, couldn't be further away lol

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