Israel is killing people based on being in the same Whatsapp group : privacy

[-] livus@mander.xyz 66 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

It is beyond obscene and makes Meta complicit in Israel's killings of "pre-crime" targets and their families, in violation of International Humanitarian Law and Meta's publicly stated commitment to human rights.

I mean if true - and it likely is - then this would be the third genocide Meta is implicated in, by my count, (Rohingya, Tigray) and there may be others they haven't been called out for yet.

[-] melpomenesclevage@lemm.ee 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

yeah but like I still use Facebook to staybin touch with people, and its super convenient despite the unusable enshittification, so I'm gonna need at least five genocides to stop.

[-] livus@mander.xyz 2 points 6 months ago

Facebook: hold my beer

[-] melpomenesclevage@lemm.ee 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

they would never do a fourth genocide.

[-] livus@mander.xyz 2 points 6 months ago

Number 6 will shock you.

[-] melpomenesclevage@lemm.ee 2 points 6 months ago

nah. nah I'm kind of expecting it tbh. got my affairs mostly... not in order, but wrapped up.

[-] land@lemmy.ml 42 points 6 months ago

Israel aimed to spark a regional conflict to avoid facing genocide allegations. However, Iran didn't buy into their PR tactics.

[-] WamGams@lemmy.ca 5 points 6 months ago

What group currently calling Jihad against Israel has not openly recieved funding from the Iranian state, going back to 1992?

The answer is none. Every group calling for Jihad and Jewish genocide in the region has received monetary support from Iran.

Why is that?

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 24 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Because Israel and Iran are enemies and have been in a state of semi-war for ages? And because Israel is an Apartheid state whose raison d'etre is ethnic cleansing?

[-] WamGams@lemmy.ca 5 points 6 months ago

So Iran can fund jihad against Judaism itself, and it's Israel's fault?

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 21 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Literally yes. The state of anti-Semitism in the middle east is a direct ~~cause~~ result of Israeli Apartheid.

Edit.

[-] WamGams@lemmy.ca 4 points 6 months ago

You think hatred of Jews among Muslims started after the creation of Israel?

That is ahistorical nonsense, and you know it.

Do you wish to try again?

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 12 points 6 months ago

You think hatred of Jews among Muslims started after the creation of Israel?

Not after the creation of Israel, after Zionists started trying to take Palestine in 1917.

[-] WamGams@lemmy.ca 4 points 6 months ago

Conveniently ignoring about a thousand years of history there, little buddy.

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[-] agressivelyPassive@feddit.de 8 points 6 months ago

Talking about the "initial fault" in this conflict is moot. We're at a point, where both sides can reasonably point to some events in the past and blame the other side for the conflict.

Fact is, Iran is a theocratic dictatorship and its allies are religious fanatic militias, while Israel is a liberal democracy, supported by pretty much all of The West™. Of course the expectations towards Israel regarding human rights and international law are slightly higher. And let's be honest, what Israel is doing right now is certainly not helping calming the situation, or even making long term peace.

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 11 points 6 months ago

while Israel is a liberal democracy, supported by pretty much all of The West™.

Man Israel has more than 5 million people under an occupation that denies them any and all human rights. They're not a liberal democracy in any stretch of the word.

[-] kurwa@lemmy.world 13 points 6 months ago

Israel is an authoritarian state, they throw people in jail for disagreeing with the government, or just being Palestinian / Muslim.

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[-] WamGams@lemmy.ca 2 points 6 months ago

I don't know if I fully buy that argument.

If somebody supports Israel, they are supporting a genocide based on perceived land needs of the Israeli people.

If somebody supports Palestine, they are supporting a genocide based on the outright extermination of the Jewish people, funded by Iran and Qatar.

I don't think we can get anywhere unless all of us as leftists acknowledge that the Jews of Israel will be in the same position the people of Palestine are in right now if we don't thread the needle of support and guess what? We are not fucking threading that needle.

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 9 points 6 months ago

If somebody supports Palestine, they are supporting a genocide based on the outright extermination of the Jewish people, funded by Iran and Qatar.

What? No significant player in Palestine is trying to do that.

[-] WamGams@lemmy.ca 2 points 6 months ago

If we pretend the "elected" government of Palestine is in significant than sure.

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 8 points 6 months ago

Uh... Hamas has tried to make peace with Israel before. Multiple times. Including two attempts to hand over Gaza to the PA and start peace negotiations. Israel has refused all of them.

[-] WamGams@lemmy.ca 2 points 6 months ago

Israel isn't the one rejecting the cease fire right now.

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 1 points 6 months ago

Uh... They are? Hamas has stated what they consider an acceptable ceasefire by listing their bare minimum "if we don't get this there's no point" demands and Israel keeps rejecting them. It's Israel refusing to compromise here.

Also you ignored my reply.

[-] WamGams@lemmy.ca 1 points 6 months ago

Uhm... No.

Hamas rejected the last ceasefire because they won't hand over 40 hostages.

At least keep current of the news if you are pretending you care.

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[-] StormFather@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

Hamas killed all the PA in Gaza after the takeover in 2006. when did they ever attempt to give gaza back?

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 5 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

So first, "Hamas killed all the PA in Gaza" ignores that it was the PA trying to overturn the result of democratic elections. Not saying Hamas didn't do fucked up things either, but let's not forget how it happened.

That said, there were many efforts for reconciliation between Hamas and Fatah. You'll notice a theme of Israeli opposition to all of these.

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[-] sazey@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago

Israel was literally funding Hamas in order to drive a wedge between Palestinians and stop chances of a unified leadership arising. Netanyahu admitted to as much. It is an Israeli media source, inb4 muh bias.

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[-] AA5B@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago

Someone needs to read a little history

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[-] melpomenesclevage@lemm.ee 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

yeah, Iran being the fucking heroes here. generally fuck that government, but they're the only adults in the extremely apocalyptic room. at least adolescents who know how to babysit?

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 30 points 6 months ago

I'm surprised Israel is that discerning.

From what I can tell, they're killing people based on those people being inside the borders of Gaza.

I don't think those 13,000+ children were all using Whatsapp. The ones that couldn't read or write probably didn't find it especially useful.

[-] Agent641@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago

I just assumed Israel was killing people based on those people's proximity to exploding israeli ordnance

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[-] melpomenesclevage@lemm.ee 3 points 6 months ago

well yes but you could create accounts for them after they died, and use a dead Hezbollah guys phone to invite them to whatsapp group. or just any phone. whichever.

you know, to be sure they were enemy combatants.

[-] LWD@lemm.ee 28 points 6 months ago

This is why metadata matters so much. Plenty of "end-to-end encrypted" apps only handle the content of messages, but know on the server side what people are in what places. Or even keep a historical record of who joined and left. Or just don't bother encrypting...

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[-] h3ndrik@feddit.de 21 points 6 months ago

That's a lot of speculation. I'd like to learn the truth.

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 2 points 6 months ago

What speculation?

[-] NoLifeGaming@lemmy.world 19 points 6 months ago

Signal is the way

[-] ikidd@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago

Then they could just go off phone numbers.

[-] NoLifeGaming@lemmy.world 15 points 6 months ago

Signal just introduced a new feature to obscure phone numbers behind usernames

[+] merthyr1831@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

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