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The problem with not voting
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this post was submitted on 28 Feb 2024
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Low turnout doesn’t change their minds it makes them think they need to either go further to the center or that Americans are too lazy
The Democrats go further to the center no matter what, but they only win when they run to the left. Obama ran as a radical leftist that was going to deliver universal healthcare and hold the banks accountable, but jettisoned that as quick as he could. The truth is they just want to be in the center, and they'll justify it no matter the turnout or outcome of the election.
Do we live in the same reality?
Off the top of my head, he was going to bailout the mortgage holders, reign in the banks, close Gitmo, end the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, pass universal healthcare, and end warrantless wiretaps. He either abandoned those objectives (sometimes when he held a super-majority) or technically did something but not really (like ending the warrantless wiretap program but creating a mass surveillance program). Anyway, maybe, "radical leftist," is a little hyperbolic, but he ran further to the left than anyone had since the 70s and he governed slightly to the left of George W.
It's more accurate to say he made leftist promises, and then turned out to be just another conservative asshole with amazing oratory skills.
Heavy sits the crown
I think it might actually be impossible to remain a good person as a president, even if you manage to somehow be a good person who can become president (also rare)
The president definitely has to be an asshole to some extent, because it's impossible to make everyone happy in this country.
With that said, we've seen presidents do what they say they're gonna do, even as progressives. We sat through four years of Trump using every possible resource to do the awful stuff he did, and there's no good reason why anyone should look at Biden and expect less than that.
Democrats deserve credit for ruling as conservatives. They reinforced the narrative that voting is pointless, at least in terms of federal elections.
Expecting Biden to rule like Trump is absolutely fucking insane. He ignored or broke any rule that stood in his way, and it got many of his policy initiatives shut down by the courts until he went back and did it the proper way, with the end result being that he was so busy fighting in the courts he didn't have time to do everything he wanted. He tried to exploit his powers to persecute his opponents and got impeached over it. He shut down the government over border wall funding and got nothing for it. The only areas he was actually successful in pushing the boundaries of acceptability were in grifting the government by staying at his properties and charging inflated prices I'm violation of the emoluments clause.
I'm a leftist because I believe government can be a force for good, and because I believe in the rule of law and in fighting against corruption. If Biden or any democrat acted like Trump did, I'd vote them out in a heartbeat.
LMFAO
Youre right. I lived so long under Obama the president i'd forgotten Obama the candidate
Right? I was there man, what the fuck is this take?
By my understanding, radical left for Americans and also slightly less so but also Canadians is kinda center right for the rest of the world. I've also heard people start calling politicians radical when they bait and switch even though that's not really how that word works.
radical right/far right, is pushing neo nazi territory. Radical left/far left, is people who like socialism and communism.
"Radical" just means "outside the status quo". "Extremist" is more the term you want there.
Radical has a customary meaning in this context - someone calling for systemic change
That is a better way of putting it, thanks. Not just outside the status quo but pushing to change it. I still think it carries a milder connotation than neo-Nazis or Anarchists and different language should be used for the fringe than just further-than-mainstream politics.
I don't know many honest people for whom the current system is working great, so I'd warrant that not being some kind of radical might be the more extreme position
You wouldn't be the first to float some form of "centrism is an extreme position" and I can't say I disagree.
if we're talking extremists we're talking our boy the unambomber, and uh, the people that bombed abortion clinics, maybe.
I dont actually have a good second handle for extremists on the right lol. I guess hate criming nazis? That kind of shit.
"Terrorist" works fine.
i was thinking explicit actions, more so than vague terms, kind of defeats the whole point of describing "radical right/left wing" if we simply go back to using another vague term doesnt it?