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submitted 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) by DemBoSain@midwest.social to c/technology@lemmy.world

From my previous comment, it looks like NHTSA is moving faster than I predicted. We're now at step 1, with this Advance Notice of Proposed Rulemaking.

(edit: I jumped the gun, we're still at step '0' on my original list)

Most of this notice seems to be a report on why 'impaired driving' is bad. I see alcohol, cannabis, mobile phone use, drowsiness...etc.

Due to technology immaturity and a lack of testing protocols, drugged driving is not being considered in this advance notice of proposed rulemaking.

Makes sense.

There is no clear and consistent engineering or industry definition of ‘‘impairment.’’

Yep, another unclear request by Congress.

NHTSA believes that Congress did not intend to limit NHTSA’s efforts under BIL to alcohol impairment.

Okay, that's fair.

Camera-based-systems, however, are increasingly feasible and common in vehicles.

Uh-oh...

The Safety Act also contains a ‘‘make inoperative’’ provision, which prohibits certain entities from knowingly modifying or deactivating any part of a device or element of design installed in or on a motor vehicle in compliance with an applicable FMVSS. Those entities include vehicle manufacturers, distributors, dealers, rental companies, and repair businesses. Notably, the make inoperative prohibition does not apply to individual vehicle owners. While NHTSA encourages individual vehicle owners not to degrade the safety of their vehicles or equipment by removing, modifying, or deactivating a safety system, the Safety Act does not prohibit them from doing so. This creates a potential source of issues for solutions that lack consumer acceptance, since individual owners would not be prohibited by Federal law from removing or modifying those systems (i.e., using defeat mechanisms).

Note that "make inoperative" does not apply to a "kill switch" in this case. NHTSA uses the term to mean "disabling required safety devices". For example, as an individual vehicle owner, it's perfectly legal for you to remove the seatbelts from your car, despite Federal requirements. But it's illegal for the entities listed above to do it. (This example doesn't extend to state regulations. It's legal for you to remove your seatbelts, but may still be illegal to drive a car without them.)

There's a short 'discussion' here regarding how to passively detect impaired driving, noting the difficulties of creating such a system. Followed by a note that basically says if they can't do it within 10 years, NHTSA can give up and not do it, as stated in the Infrastructure law.

There's a long section on how to detect various types of impairment, current methods of preventing impaired driving, etc. An interesting section about detecting blood-alcohol level using infrared sensors embedded in the steering wheel. Body posture sensors can be used to detect driver distraction.

This is followed by a brief overview of the technologies NHTSA is considering:

Camera-Based Driver Monitoring Sensors

Hands-On-Wheel Sensors

Lane Departure and Steering Sensors

Speed/Braking Sensors

Time-Based Sensors

Physiological Sensors

On page 850 (21 of the PDF), NHTSA asks for feedback to several questions. There are a few pages of relevant issues, so I won't cover them here. If you wish, you can go here to leave a comment. Please don't leave irrelevant garbage like "I oppose this on the grounds of my Constitutional rights..." While applicable in this situation, it's irrelevant to NHTSA, and commenting like that will just waste everybody's time. There's a section on page 855 (26 of the PDF) about Privacy and Security.

That's that. Let me know I can answer any of your questions. I'll try to come back to this post throughout the day and see what's happening. But, I do not work for NHTSA, so can't remark on agency thought process.

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[-] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 114 points 10 months ago

You know what would eliminate a ton of drunk driving?

Functional Public Transit

But that isn't something we can pass off onto the consumer and break their cars, so we're not gonna do it.

[-] 0ddysseus@lemmy.world 48 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Also walkable towns and cities. Also public and community spaces. Also strong interconnected communities. All these things are bad for capitalism and the ruling class and their enforcers though so don't expect to see any change in the policy of dismantling communities

[-] DemBoSain@midwest.social 8 points 10 months ago

I spent a week in Pontevedra Spain a few years ago and it was amazing for the walkable city alone. Revitalizing downtown areas by turning them into walkable parks with shops is a great idea.

[-] Treczoks@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

The point is that anyone who is drunk as a skunk might not have the necessary mental capacity to leave the car at the party place and take the bus.

Heck, even if they already arrived by PT, they will either a) vomit into the PT, B) fall asleep and end up somewhere, c) get into the wrong PT and end up somewhere, and/or d) get fleeced on the way.

This is not an excuse for drunk driving, it's just explaining that PT is not really a solution to this particular problem.

[-] Nollij@sopuli.xyz 24 points 10 months ago

I really doubt that's a significant portion of drunk drivers. Those people would not be getting far when driving anyway.

The amount of fighting there was about lowering the BAC limit from 0.10 to 0.08 leads me to believe that's where a large portion of them are.

[-] Treczoks@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

I think it should be lowered even more. Half that is still too much for some people.

[-] t0fr@lemmy.ca 4 points 10 months ago

It would definitely be a solution for me. Two beers in and I'd be safer in a bus than behind the wheel.

Also, if you're drunk as a skunk, all these outcomes are better for everyone than getting behind the wheel and messing up somebody else's life.

[-] Treczoks@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

Well, after two beers you are probably still capable of a sound decision not to drive and still end up at home when using public transport.

The problem is those people who had way more than just two beers.

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