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Hot take but I bet they wouldn't have replaced it if somebody hadn't chosen to invade them (on whatever reason).
The whole idea is to bolster national identity in an attempt to boost morale, which is what every normal country does during wartime (doesn't mean I am d'accord with it because it's effectively trying to erase / replace history, but at the same time I think it's an understandable move from a logical point of view)
And I'm struggling with the word "Nazi", may it be in the Ukrainian, Russian and Chinese context. They all just differ so much from the Nazis, that they are not comparable in any way. The Nazis built concentration caps to enslave / murder millions of Jews and political opponents. Something modern Russians, Chinese and Ukrainians aren't doing in as far as can be CERTAINLY said (or at least aren't doing to the extent the Nazis did). "Nazi" is just a word that gets thrown way too early but fact is that the Nazis were WAY WORSE than the Ukrainians, Russians and Chinese are today.
Imo this war is totally unnecessary, and a complete waste of resources and humans. And those who are hit the worst are the poor families whilst the rich are profiting (just like always). Here's a line from "Der Heimliche Aufmarsch" written by "Ernst Busch": "Das ist der Krieg der Herrscher der Welt, gegen die Arbeiterklasse!" (Translated: "This is the war of the rulers from the world, against the worker's class!") and it is very fitting.
To sum up this war in one sentence: "Putin is bitching against the West, they are bitching back and poor plebs are biting the dust for it. And let me be clear about something very important: Are the Ukrainians Nazis? - No! Are there ukrainian Nazis / radical nationalists? - Yes, there are! Are the Russians Nazis? - No! Are there Russian Nazis / radical nationalists? - Yes, there are! Are there Nazis / radical nationalists in western democracies? - Yes, there are! Do both Ukrainian and Russian officials love to take pictures with their country's Nazis / radical nationalists? - Yes, they BOTH enjoy that. Vlad for example loves to shake hands with his favourite radical nationalist motorcycle gang, doesn't he? *wink...
Anyways the world isn't black and white, so is this war. Sometimes the media just wants to push us towards a side (even if that is due to a lack of information or because information gets swallowed upon summoning a topic up. And yes, information can also get swallowed intentionally.) In any case it is important to build their own opinion instead of just blindly repeating media buzz words like "Ugronazis" or "the evil "...
If one thing is for sure: in a few decades we'll look back and be like: "we were so stupid to fight over this... But that moment will come after the realization of just how unnecessary it all has been"
My honest opinion: Why don't we just host a hunger games session: winner takes Donbass & Crimea. No hiding in a bunker just a team deathmatch: Putin and his gang vs Selensky, Biden and their gang. (Radical nationalists on both sides are welcome to die there too). Visitor entry 's free for all innocent people who have lost their home, body abilities, minds or loved ones in this conflict.
Ah yes, the Ukrainians, famous for being completely distinct from Nazis, especially when it comes to collaborating to commit the genocide of hundreds of thousands during WWII.
Fuck off, Ukrainians fought the Nazis harder than anybody except the Russians. More Ukrainians were partisans than joined either the OUN or UPA. 7 million Ukrainians fought to liberate Europe from fascism, you're literally commentating on an article about a monument built to honor their sacrifice.
Being generous, I think he means a segment of them were very distinctly Nazis and saying that group "differs so much from Nazis" is silly. I do agree that it is doing the Banderite's work for them to pretend that the Banderites were ever the most popular faction when that is a modern invention in both readings of the phrase.
The fact that the national identity of Ukraine has shifted so heavily into being anti-soviet and pro-OUN is a shame. Ukraine is actively erasing their own history to placate the west in hopes of access to the global capitalist pie for their upper class.
You’re right. I don’t know what OP is on but it seems like all that sacrifice has gone down the toilet and erased from history, at least inside the country. Now only Bandera is the only hero there. Him and the Ghost of Kyiv
Yeah that's about the level of nuance you would expect when you go into a thread with "Ukronazi" in the title