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submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by IronKrill@lemmy.ca to c/asklemmy@lemmy.world

This question's on my mind because my coworker today mentioned they would vote for Trump if they could (mind you this is 2023, in Canada). I don't generally have the talking points or the desire to fight about it, so I just deflected the conversation. But I often wish I was more strong-willed and could try to figure out why someone believes what they do and, if it's invalid, then convince them otherwise.

Thus, I'm curious what you all would say or what you've done in the past!

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[-] TheInsane42@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

Depends on the politician. Extremist politicians like Trump are a no-go. Those supporters can't be convinced as they already believe fairytales. I'd say have fun, you do you, I'm out. This is the biggest problem with 2 party systems, you only get to choose between bad options.

Here we have multiple parties (to many for some) and you can vote for a party with you agree most instead for the one you disagree least with. When somebody wants to vote for a party you don't agree with, you ask why, as we have (almost) no 1 issue parties and most party programs are pretty consistent on the usual issues and programs overlap a lot. When they say they vote for party x because of point 1, when not to extremist (immigration, killing off fossil dependencies no matter the costs, unlimited market,...) there will be at least 1 other party with the same view but less 'colleteral damage'.

On the other hand, extremist views, especially in a multi party environment are limited to a minority, so will never get to power. Other, valid, views are adapted by other parties, so people aren't limited to the extremist.

[-] tooclose104@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago

I also have a coworker who supports trump and is Canadian. To be fair to you, we are simply coworkers and that boundary will remain solidly in place so long as we're working together.

[-] nxfsi@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

If you can't change somebody, you're better off changing yourself <3

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[-] nxfsi@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

If you can't argue against him, have you considered that he may have been correct after all?

[-] Jimbo@yiffit.net 1 points 2 years ago
[-] uberkalden@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Lol, maybe he just isn't good in on the spot confrontation? Not everyone is prepared to counter an encyclopedia of bullshit that someone picked up from talk radio

[-] nxfsi@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Not in today's dunk culture

You mean ex-friend?

[-] DirigibleProtein@aussie.zone 1 points 2 years ago

Never contact me again.

[-] Mr_1077@monero.town 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I experienced this just a few days ago. (By the way, I'm Swedish and the current political situation here is quite ass IMO. We're talking mass surveillance and the government trying to stop all immigration.)

I was talking with one of my friends and she told me that the new election went wonderful. She told me that she would gladly vote for the Sweden democrats in the next election.

Then I told her that they would decrease the budget for television and radio by a lot and stopping the migration would also include normal people looking to start businesses here, pay taxes, etc.

Hopefully, she votes pirate in 2026.

(Fun fact: the person leading and representing the Sweden democrats compared Nazis to Drag Queens on live television.)

[-] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago

it's hilarious to me - as an immigrant- because immigration is a massive boon to the economy.

I literally paid to be here, without the cost of raising me as a kid, and even if I eventually become a citizen I've cost the country much less than a citizen by not growing up here, and not taking any essential services or support, and then I contribute more not just by paying fees to be here but being held to a higher standard. If you grow up poor they don't kick you out, but if I don't earn enough money they kick me out, and that amount of money is safely above the cost line of my presence in the country.

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