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[-] DieguiTux8623@feddit.it 10 points 10 months ago

Just an excuse for the EU member state leaders who could send help individually by country and are failing to do so.

[-] fugacity@kbin.social 4 points 10 months ago

As an American, growing up I used to think so highly of Europe and their better socialist policies (I even wanted to move there), but honestly their spinelessness when dealing with dictatorships has really disillusioned me. Say what you will about the US military-industrial complex, or even how capricious our current aid situation is with Ukraine, but even when our international policy is clearly wrong or misguided, I do think we move forward with real conviction unlike Europe...

[-] NOSin@lemmy.world 20 points 10 months ago

Oh yeah, with Trump and all for the past few years, that was a real show of "moving forward" and it was nothing like a "dictatorship" even.

The amount of irony in your comment is off the chart, you need a self check.

[-] fugacity@kbin.social 2 points 10 months ago

Call me delusional, but despite electing an agent of Russia the previous election cycle, I think the US still managed to give more aid to Ukraine when they needed it. Don't tell me that the EU pledged more aid than the US has after the fact. If the US didn't put its foot forward in the first place I have a real hard time believing the EU would have done anything. And yeah, maybe we shouldn't be giving Isreal weapons to bomb the living shit out of Palestinian civilians. And Europe is entirely right when they call us out on it. But since when is Europe willing to accept refugees from Palestine? Their words don't mean much to me. It's always posturing and NIMBY and hoping someone else does it while acting superior.

For the record, the fact that Trump didn't overthrow the government means that it's not a dictatorship - need I remind you that Trump was 3 years ago? And anyways, despite how horrible of a person and leader Trump is, he somehow still had better foreign policy regarding China than Europe did.

If China invades Taiwan, what will Europe do? I have a hard time they'll do anything but thank the heavens they had TSMC build a fab in Europe while conveniently waiting to see what happens: if Japan and the US are able to help Taiwan hold, they'll open the floodgates, but otherwise they'll turn the other way.

Yeah, moving forward might be the wrong way to put it. But I'm not impressed at all with bystanders that point fingers at people going the wrong way when they're at least trying. And if the world wants to literally put their money where their mouth is, maybe they should be adopting the Euro instead of the US Dollar as their world reserve currency (why, if other countries hate our capitalism so much, are they so willing to eat our shit when we print money on their dime?)

[-] NOSin@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

The number of "but" in that whole thing should clue you in as to some of your cognitive dissonance. A lot of things you talked about as such aren't mutually exclusive.

I'll let you dream, ain't no way I'm wasting my time with what will be a failed conversation here.

Have a nice day.

[-] fugacity@kbin.social 2 points 10 months ago

See but that's the problem. Instead of pointing out specifics and being clear you've said a whole lot of nothing and just gone back to your echo chamber. Shame on you, not for disgreeing with me, but acting holier-than-thou, walking away in arrogance with your nose held high.

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