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[-] Muzukun@yiffit.net 18 points 1 year ago

My guitar instructor first voted for Obama and then for trump. I think it came down to guns, increasing cost of living and generally just growing to hate democrats? He doesn't hate me (knows I'm pretty liberal, but also I'll bitch about democrats in a heartbeat). Spoke with his wife (much more level headed) and it seems... A tone of defeat? Cost of living is high, hard to raise a family on a set income, and for them Trump represented someone who would change things instead of the usual status quo represented by the democrats and the usual GOP. I think it is that, guns, and he is not really wanted by either party so they like him. He's not a politician.

[-] vector_zero@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Not a bad assessment. I voted for him in 2016, and given the current situation, I'd probably do it again if he was the chosen candidate. That said, I think he's done what was needed as a disruption to the system, and I would rather have somebody with less of an ego to stroke, and ideally less involvement with the financial elite.

Edit: Bring on the downvotes, I guess. I simply provided an honest perspective to help answer the posted question.

[-] asparagus_p@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 year ago

Thanks for your honest answer, but how do you view the fact that he refused to accept defeat and tried to undermine the country's democracy? Does that concern you? Honest question from a non- American.

[-] vector_zero@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Not to pull a whataboutism, but this happened in 2016 as well. Claims of Russian hacks and election fraud from the left, and the infamous "Here's how Bernie can still win" meme that we all know and love.

It doesn't excuse it from the right, but it's not a uniquely partisan issue.

[-] Jikiya@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Well, first you did exactly pull a whatabout-ism.

More importantly though, the democrats claimed those were the things that caused them to lose the vote. They did not claim they did win, and those things were the things that point out that they did win.

"These are the things that made us lose" =/= "These are the reasons we didn't lose"

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