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[-] bahmanm@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 year ago

Given I was recently involved in minimising the impact of Lightbend's similar move earlier this year, AFAIU it means their products will be conditionally open source. They'll be free to use for non-commercial use but you'd need to pay for anything else.

[-] grue@lemmy.ml 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

There is no such thing as "conditionally open source." The license terms you describe are just "not open source."

If they actually gave a shit about commercial entities contributing back, they should've gone AGPL3. This is just a money grab and yet another example of how permissive licensing isn't good enough and everything should be copyleft.

[-] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 9 points 1 year ago

Its still open source. You can still view the source code. That's what open source is. The change here is the restriction on providing Terraform as a service in the form of a Terraform Cloud competitor. This seems to be a very direct response to Amazon introducing a service for hosting terraform modules, storing terraform state, and applying changes.

I don't love this, but they're also not restricting anyone's comercial ability to develop products using terraform like a banking app, a link aggregator, or a e-commerce platform. All you're restricted on is providing an IaC service where you directly profit from running someone else's terraform for them. This is the same license the MariaDB creators came up with when they felt burned by Oracle but did want people to be able to build closed source products using their database without profiting from providing their db as a service (this is why many self hosted projects use Maria instead of MySQL) which is why AWS can't offer maria RDS instances.

AGPL wouldn't help them keep developing terraform the way BSL would because their business problem isn't that no one is contributing back to the code, their problem is a $1T market disruptor just turned their Sauron eye towards Hashicorp's $5B shire and offered their own shire for less money behind the black gates. All after for many years directly benefitting from Hashicorp's existence and giving them white glove treatment as a result. And yes I'm aware that in this analogy Hashicorp is probably one of the Nazghul being corrupted.

Like I said. I don't love this license change. But like I said. Hashicorp doesn't have a code contributions to Terraform problem. They have a funding their business and development problem

Its still open source. You can still view the source code. That’s what open source is.

"Open Source" does not, and has never only meant, "you can view the source code". This is the Open Source Definition: https://opensource.org/osd/

Relevant excerpt:

  1. No Discrimination Against Fields of Endeavor

The license must not restrict anyone from making use of the program in a specific field of endeavor. For example, it may not restrict the program from being used in a business, or from being used for genetic research.

The Open Source Definition is very specific, and this license does not meet it. This license is, as it calls itself, "source-available".

If the OSI had obtained that trademark in 1999 on "Open Source", it would be abundantly clear what software really is and is not open source https://opensource.org/pressreleases/certified-open-source.php/

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