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[-] volodya_ilich@lemm.ee 2 points 23 hours ago

If TikTok has the power to "turn" youth into pro Palestine, they can also turn the youth pro China when China invades Taiwan

You're not making the argument you think you're making here. Tiktok showed young people the uncensored truth about the genocide. If showing the uncensored truth about Taiwan makes young people want an invasion by China, then it means China is right?

[-] cocomutative_diagram@infosec.pub 2 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

You would honestly believe a giant media conglomerate and one of the most influential tech monopolies in this hyper-capitalistic world shows people completely unbiased news, just out of the goodness of their heart? For their unconditional love towards the vulnerable underaged population that they intentionally attracted?

[-] volodya_ilich@lemm.ee 1 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

So let's instead confine ourselves to social media from western countries which reflects exclusively western bias, whether through censorship as is the case of Meta/X, or through contributions by overwhelmingly white western men as is the case of Lemmy. Just look at politics.world and see what country most linked articles are from.

Maybe, just maybe, having more diverse options, including social media from other countries not subjected to western bias, could be good? That way maybe you can see some realities hidden by the Chinese government heavily publicised in western social media, and viceversa

[-] cocomutative_diagram@infosec.pub 1 points 11 hours ago

In principle yes, but it is in general dangerous to think that social media can be a learning moment and people should use whatever pushed to them to guide their behavior.

The content is eventually controlled by several monopolies and will serve their own good. As social media are natural monopolies, it is also really hard to build ethical platforms that competes with the ones backed by capital.

Westerners are priviliaged to have a diverse and free news/media landscape, non-profits pushing for truthful and accessible knowledge, and world-class educational institutions. I, as a Chinese, have never experienced such when growing up.

Yet, I see people insist a giant Chinese tech monopoly is their best learning experience, instead of resorting to more time-proven, unbiased, and trust-worthy ways to learn. Doesn't this sound dangerous to you?

[-] volodya_ilich@lemm.ee 1 points 8 hours ago

Westerners are priviliaged to have a diverse and free news/media landscape, non-profits pushing for truthful and accessible knowledge, and world-class educational institutions

Bullshit. Westerners fall for western propaganda as much as anyone. Most on Lemmy were certain that the submarine cables were destroyed by the Russians on purpose, turns out the consensus isn't the case. Most on Lemmy were certain that Nordstream was blown up by Russian, turned out not to be the case. Most on Lemmy believe there's an ongoing genocide against Uyghur people, turns out it's not the case. Most on Lemmy believe there was a massacre in Tiananmen square (good luck asking them to spell it) because the CPC sent the PLA to murder protestors, instead of a clash between protestors and military which happened after weeks of pro-capitalist protests and started after protestors murdered some military personnel in negotiation attempts. Most on Lemmy are willing to forgive the support for Genocide in Gaza to the US and its constant imperialism and aren't willing to do the same for other countries.

You're just being extremely chauvinist and ignorant about the quality of information in the west, and unaware of the manufacture of consent and the fabrication of false information and narratives.

resorting to more time-proven, unbiased, and trust-worthy ways to learn

Which are these unbiased ways to learn you talk about? Can you provide me any examples?

[-] cocomutative_diagram@infosec.pub 1 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 13 minutes ago)

Okay this debate has been way too tiring for me. I am not going to explain to another rich western kid why you are more fortunate than my friend who have been separated from her activist dad for decades.

If you don't believe western privilege is real and you are as oppressed as the numerous dictatorships across the world... Good for you I guess, and I will not entertain this topic further.

As for ways to learn, I prefer to learn through peer-reviewed literature; high-effort investigative journalism; and people who have worked decades in the field, and specifically hired to research and teach.

[-] volodya_ilich@lemm.ee 1 points 3 hours ago

At no point did I discuss political prisoners (who exist in my Western European country too, believe it or not). I discussed the reliability of mass media, the level of state propaganda, manufactured consent and fabricated news. Some person you know being in prison has nothing to do with that, don't immediately go and play the victim card, we' were discussing western media here. You're just shutting your ears and saying "the existence of authority abuse elsewhere means you have no right to mention the western bias in western media".

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