"Is for me? 👉👈"
~ AI
"UwU is all that wam for wittle old me?"
~ AI probably
The West is its own enemy. Not only are our oligarchs against us, they are dimwitted and don’t plan ahead for anything but earnings reports.
THIS QUARTER'S earnings reports. sigh
It's telling that if someone powerful like a politician actually does their job, they're hailed by the general public as a hero.
Why aren't data centers buying up all this RAM too?
I'm guessing because China isn't producing the type of RAM they want. Put it this way, when the AI bubble bursts we aren't going to have a load of RAM and GPUs suddenly available, because the AI data centre versions aren't in a format that's useful in consumer tech, or even all the data centre systems. They are optimised towards AI workloads and don't really work in normal computer systems. Equally that means that if the RAM that's been produced isn't in this AI workload optimised format, then the data centres can't use it.
The crime isn't that the AI data centres were using a lot of the RAM, it was that the manufacturers were letting them by producing all their RAM in the required format.
but surely there are ppl out there smart enough to make it work somehow?
after all we can play Doom on just about any device
I'm sure they could be made to work. But why would they when they've got the likes of Nvidia producing all the chips they could ever want.
Even if they were made to work, they may still be bad in price / perf and not worth using simply due to being manufactured for a completely different purpose.
when the bubble pops there will be loads of these (assuming they haven't all been cocktailed).
prob buy em for pennies on the dollar.
bet in 10 yrs time someone could figure out how to run them on a quarter the energy usage.
one can hope, to up cycle this fucking stain on humanity
Obviously this is good for RAM prices but does the NAND part affect SSD prices as well?
I'd skip spinning platters if I could get 4 TB of SSD for vheapt
I sincerely hope this fucks up the market. I hope all the other manufacturers get fucked right up their greedy fucking asses.
With an unlubricated horse cock
Use lube, or find another phallic object. That poor horse deserved better.
Say, are you an engineer at Boeing in Washington?
Remember he was from Germany, even if he ultimately fell in Washington.
"Fell"? Like did they play Taps for him after?
Damn you Mr Xi
The Chinese AI labs are really trying to pop the bubble, too.
How?
Well lemme ask you this. What if models 80-90% as good as Claude, with weights just thrown out there for any provider (or homelab) to host, flood the market? What if they're so dirt cheap to run, they're almost free, and don't even need Nvidia GPUs? What they need fewer resources to run with each update, instead of more?
...What if this already happened, and Big Tech is maddly lobbying to ban/censor them before people realize it, and that the "infinite scaling" thing is a big fat lie?
That's the state of things.
It turns out that off-shoring your economy to a political rival is a really dumb thing for a capitalist to do.
off-shoring your economy to a political rival
If you offshore your economy, what prevents the recipient from becoming a rival?
We've offshored to all the BRICS countries and they've all become our rivals was a result
Well a funny thing about off-shoring your economy is that it really just means exploiting people in countries that can't stand up to your imperial might. So it inevitably creates enemies. Now you have no economy at home AND the rest of the world hates you! Double stupidity!
but also necessary and that's the beautiful contradiction of capitalism that will cause it's inevitable downfall
"the capitalists will sell us the rope we hang them with"
(Exact source unkown)
Or:
"Just keep making and selling them more rope, eventually they'll hang themselves with it."
But, but, this quarter profits.
I wish, I wish we would bring out the guillatine for these greedy treasonous capitalist fucks.
We've lost so much because of them
Yep, the Chinese models are already up 10 times cheaper and now that Anthropic, OpenAI, and Google, all are increasing prices up to 10 more for models like Opus, it will make Chinese models anywhere from 50 to 100 times cheaper.
American corps. are betting that since people have their workflow already established they won't switch to other providers, but that's not the case. There's already a mass move to Chinese models.
In a way it has actually.
Deepseek was big because not only did they publish the full model for everyone to use, but the MoE structure significantly brought down the hardware requirements in terms of processing power. As long as you have enough VRAM, you can run it on older hardware with no need for the latest Nvidia stuff.
Now they got v4 which many have found to be within a 10% margin of Claude and ChatGPT.
On top of that, China has cheapo VRAM GPUs available or soon to be released, like the MTT S80. Yeah it sucks as a Graphics card because the chip is behind, but you get 16Gb of GDDR6 for much cheaper than anything else.
But its not a conspiracy to fight China. The infinite scaling was just Nvidia solidifying themselves as the monopoly because they want all AI infrastructure to be dependent on them, which is why they still illegally export to China, despite an export ban attempting to reduce their potential competition.
Moore Threads (MTT) already has their own CUDA like system called MUSA, and I'm sure they'll be happy to put in proper hardware support for new stuff like Bf16 and FP8/4. It'll take a few years, but eventually China will catch up to the point where Nvidia gets shanked by cheaper hardware.
Hyper scaling was always about cornering the computer market, It was never about providing us some vastly new and superior service.
They should be strung up. And middle management needs to return to fucking school.
It’s like Kyle Kulinski said “I’m starting to understand re-education camps now”
But think about Samsung, SK Hynix and Micron shareholders
I do think of them.
Whew, glad I dumped my Micron shares a little While ago.
Oh dear...
Please, please bring the world back to sanity. I was like, literally saving up to expand my homelab when my main server went down and have been utterly slapped by prices.
so like, i have generational hoarder trauma. we're not that bad, but we don't throw away shit we can legitimately use if we have the room to store it without making a mess. so i have three extra PC boxes and two extra laptops on a shelf in the garage that i was waiting for the energy to go through, wipe the hard drive, see if there were any parts i wanted to use and blah blah blah. two days of work that i just really didn't want to do, especially since one of them is emotional. now if anything burns out i have my spare parts cache sitting there and thank the machine god it won't be too much of a downgrade.
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