"Won't you pay a little extra to save the planet? No? What a scumbag you are."
Proceeds to dump toxic waste into a river to save $1200
"Won't you pay a little extra to save the planet? No? What a scumbag you are."
Proceeds to dump toxic waste into a river to save $1200
proceeds to pay $100,000 in lawyer fees to fight a $5,000 ticket for dumping.
Probably an unpopular opinion but this is to offset a federal fuel tax they aren’t getting since it’s an EV. It could be calculated better based on miles but that opens up a privacy issue.
My solution is due away with all fuel taxes and tax tires. They have a know wear rate based on miles, and don’t have any privacy issues like location tracking.
Seeing as one truck does the damage of 10,000 cars on the roads, personal vehicles should not be paying the lion's share of road money.
So it shouldn't matter the type of tire.
Those tires are much larger so you could just tax them more. Plus a pneumatic tire can only hold so much weight which is why they are 18 of them on a huge truck. Not to mention more load causes more wear on the tire so they go through them quicker. I mean it’s not perfect, lots of things affect tire wear like road surface, road smoothness, alignment, etc. Maybe you keep the diesel fuel taxes and just tax tires on passenger cars. Maybe give a tax break to small diesel cars to offset the double tax. Just brainstorming…
Generally the wear on tires is proportional to the wear on roads, since both are effectively grinding against each other with grit as the grinding medium in between. It would be harder to find a more accurate way to measure an individual vehicle’s contribution to road wear, given that weight is such a large factor.
If you used mass surveillance to record exactly how many miles everyone drove and record exactly which vehicle model they were driving for each mile (to know the vehicle weight), you’d still miss out on the cargo factor. For transport trucks that’s the biggest factor, since an empty trailer weighs far less than a full one (and different types of goods have radically different densities).
Of course we already know how much transport trucks weigh and how many miles they drive, since transport trucks are required to go through weigh stations and drivers have to keep detailed logs of how many miles they drive (and hours they drive consecutively). The issue then comes down to consumers and other business vehicles (pickup trucks etc).
People already run tires that are worn well past the point of safety, making them more expensive will exacerbate that issue.
You're not wrong, but this would still happen if you're were free. People just can't be arsed to do anything.
Probably a much lower rate, but still.
I mean, they have inspections for smog and shit, right? Take your EV in for its smug check and they check its mileage and assess the road use tax.
I heard that some countries charge a vehicle tax based on the weight of the vehicle. Some based on the number of cylinders.
One of the problems with removing the fuel tax is that affluent people will be able to avoid the additional registration tax by registering their vehicle in another state, such as where their summer home is. Having a gas tax allows taxes to go where the fuel is purchased and indirectly where the vehicle is using the roads. This doesn't work for electric vehicles.
I'm surprised no politician suggested toll booths all over.
Rich people with summer homes in another state are likely not a major percentage of drivers, I'm guessing.
I don't mind a road tax. I prefer it over tolls. We already pay gas taxes for infrastructure. My issue is that it is a set price. I honestly think it should be based on the price and weight of your vehicle, and your annual mileage. A subcompact for your daily 20 minute commute is less damaging to the road than a truck traveling 70k miles per year is.
My other problem, no guarantees that it will be used for infrastructure.
Tolls already handle the mileage part, and they already have different tolls per vehicle class, though the classes are outdated. But that can easily be adjusted.
The only downside of tolls is that they track your vehicle movement, but let's not kid ourselves, flock cameras already track your movement to your neighborhood, and it's run by an openly comically evil company.
When they tried this last year it was scrapped because there was no practical way to collect it. Are we going to have a national car registry? That would take more money than it would collect. If they just ask a question on tax filing, I'm just going to lie.
How are you Americans doing car registration? As someone from another country it sounds a little bit crazy to not have a national car registry. Is this on the state level? And if someone from Texas is caught speeding in Arizona, police has to as there for the ID of the owner? Or is there no registry at all? And why shouldn't states be able to collect a tax from their citizens?
Cars and drivers are registered on the state level, yes. There's an agreement that licenses from every state are valid in every other state, and infractions in any state are prosecuted by the jurisdiction in which it happens. There is no national registry, no. States can (and do) collect taxes and registration fees from drivers who reside in that state, but they don't typically collect on behalf of the federal government.
There's a reason cops ask for license and registration.
I dunno how this works, but I'd assume this national car registry already exists at the DMV because you have to register your car to drive it, no?
No. The registries are all state-level, though many states do allow other states to query their systems.
It's never an option to tax the megacorporations that force us to use public roads that they don't pay for to get to work is it?
Good ol corporate socialism. Privatize the gains and socialize the losses.
Tax the megacorps more and use that to maintain roads and expand public transit providing an actual choice for people rather than forcing the individual to buy a car, pay for maintenance, for registration, for fuel, for a license, for tolls, all just to get to work.
Do not adjust the gas tax for 33 years, do not listen to all the civil engineers telling you heavy vehicles do almost all road damage, and propose a tax with no method of enforcement. Brilliant leadership out of DC.
Interesting points to me are the fact that this 130 fee is:
As pissed as I get at fees, electric cars don't typically pay a gas tax, the taxes we levy on fuel pay for road maintenance so that fee should be for road repairs. In my very small car I pay around $1.80 or so each week in federal fuel tax (not sure what I pay to the state, but those combined is very likely over $130/yr).
Electric cars pay electricity tax. Gas cars pay gasoline tax. We don’t need to tax electric cars even more.
Which portion of the electricity tax is used to repair the roads they use? Not trying to be too defensive but if we all switched and didn't pay more, the roads would be even worse than they already are.
The gullible part is thinking the federal government fixes the roads with your money at all. More than likely it'll go to Israel.
I bet the pick ups will pay less than an EV driver and are one of the main causes of road damages
Arkansas already charges an extra $200 annual registration fee for electric vehicles.
That's usually the case, as electric vehicles don't pay taxes on gas which is used for roads. Basically a system to make people who drive pay for the roads (and people who drive more will pay more as well).
I would be happy to pay for that purpose, but it's way more tax than I would pay in fuel for the number of miles I drive.
Plus they've been waiving gas tax to make themselves look better on gas prices. So, right now, I'm subsidizing gas drivers.
They want BEV owners to feel the same financial shit as those who made bad decisions buying massive gas guzzlers. It's a ploy to get people avoid buying BEVs now that they're seeing them gain popularity. They won't be able stop the transition that's coming, BEVs are the future, more efficient, cleaner, resilient to global geopolitical shit.
I don't know the correct answer to this exactly, but given that I've only driven my car (hybrid) about 4k miles total over the last 2 years since I got it (April '24), and paid less (but not $0) in gas tax, but still got hit with the full $130 extra fee is absolutely infuriating. I hadn't even owned it a full year yet but still had to pay a non pro-rated amount (my previous car was a regular gas car).
I'm basically paying almost 6x the rate per mile since I drive so little. I'm the one stuck paying extra because I can't afford to drive enough to justify the full amount, and subsidizing some high mileage driver out there.
I realize tracking mileage has privacy implications, so I don't know a perfect solution, but it fucking SUCKS to get ripped off this hard. While being on disability due to injury and other surgeries, too. I mean I'm still building strength and endurance back to be capable of working again, preferably this year, but I'm the meantime, taxes are fucking killing me.
At least with an EV I would have 0 in gas taxes instead of paying the "not paying gas tax" fee on top of the gas tax- while gas is almost $5 a gallon.
So much bullshit.
I saw someone suggest taxing tires instead of gas, which does seem more equitable, but it would be a big hit on an already expensive purchase.
This is climate change denial in action. Any normal country would incentivize people to switch to EVs, not the opposite.
its to shore up OPEC countries, the ME, and israel by extension all that sweet oil money going into pockets of politicians .
What about all the subsidies we pay on gas? Maybe get rid of those if you want some revenue?
Give us cross country high speed rail and you got a deal.
But is $130 actually fair?
Well, a flat fee doesn't take into account vehicle weight or annual mileage, which the gas tax more-or-less does. And the road maintenance cost is a function of those two things. A flat fee would penalize drivers of infrequently-driven small vehicles.
But...I suppose that gathering that data would also add some privacy concerns and costs, like the government needing to record how many miles your vehicle has traveled in a year.
EDIT: The really obnoxious thing is that everyone else is grabbing movement data on vehicles to make money off. Automakers via integrated cell radios. ALPR network operators. I assume that charging station operators do too
fast DC connections like NACS transmit the vehicle's VIN, and I'd be very surprised if charging companies aren't monetizing that data.
You could tax tires, it avoids all the tracking while still distributing road maintenance costs based off actual use of the roads.
Or ... we could just not tax electric vehicles, and call that a subsidy to encourage the more environmentally friendly option.
If, at some future point, electric vehicle adoption becomes so widespread that it becomes difficult to provide road maintenance because gas taxes aren't being paid anymore, then you can find a different funding source for it. Maybe just fund it out of the ordinary general tax fund. Or even go really crazy and raise taxes on billionaires by two hundredths of a percent.
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