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Chanting ‘from the river to the sea’ would be criminalised under proposed state law

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[-] crystalmerchant@lemmy.world 100 points 1 month ago

Israeli people have as much right to exist as Palestinian people. So let's not genocide the Palestinians, no matter how desperately Golda Meir claimed they're not real. Israel has a right to exist =/= Israel has a right to slaughter a culture. It's not fucking hard you cunts

[-] MightEnlightenYou@lemmy.world 33 points 1 month ago

It is really hard if you're only able to see the world in binary choices, which seems to be a common root of issues around the world

[-] Doorbook@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

Does human have right to exist? If yes, then those who identify themselves as Israeli and those who identify themselves as Palestinians have the right to exist.

However, including Israel as a state and government in this statement doesn't make sense.

Its like someone going to another person house and take over a room then say I have the right to exist. Yes you have the right to exist but not the right to steal, and control the house. Now this state literally committing an ongoing genocide. So yes they state doesn't have the right to exist.

[-] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 2 points 1 month ago

they do if they hadnt forcibly removed palestinians from the area since ww2.

[-] Wataba@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 month ago

Quite frankly, they don't.

They were invited refuge, turned violent and annexed the region, and have continued to be violent bloodthirsty pigs ever since.

[-] rwrwefwef@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 month ago

Israel has a right to exist =/= Israel has a right to slaughter a culture.

That's the thing; under the UN charter, peoples have a right to exist, not states. Basically, what becomes of the region should be decided by the entire population living in it, but it seems like half of said population isn't getting much of a voice.

[-] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 66 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

People who are now Israelis have a right to exist, just like everybody else.

The nation of Israel has no right to exist, same as all other nations.

Funny how racialized politics, autoritarianist tendencies and even a certain view of nation states as more important than people, did not stop when NAZI Germany was defeated and are still very much alive and acted on in Germany - the symbols such as swasticas and goose-stepping aren't displayed anymore but the fundational aspects of the NAZI view of the world, of the value of people and of the validity of the use of force to suppress ideas the powerful dislike, are still alive and well in Germany.

[-] kreskin@lemmy.world 43 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

German government seems to be as shamelessly bribed and corrupt as Americas.

[-] Iusedtobeanalien@lemmy.world 41 points 1 month ago

Fuck the speech police

Israel: a country so weak and pathetic it controls peoples speech.

[-] NebulaNomad@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

The tought police will get you next

[-] HazardousBanjo@lemmy.world 26 points 1 month ago

If Germans are serious about "never again", it should apply to any genocidal force and/or ethnostate. Israel is both. It has no right to exist.

[-] mcv@lemmy.zip 14 points 1 month ago

Yeah, it really looks like Germany has learned the wrong lesson from the Holocaust.

[-] kossa@feddit.org 25 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

* proposed law, which likely won't pass.

But, true enough, the proposition is insane.

[-] RockBottom@feddit.org 22 points 1 month ago

Two wrongs don’t make one right, my fellow Germans!

[-] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 20 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

And let me guess, the proposed law does not criminalize anyone saying "Between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty" (Likud'77) or denying Palestinians the right to self-determination (there is no such thing as a state's right to exist under international law, contrary to the very real right to self-determination, enshrined in the UN Charter, that Germany is a signatory to).

These jewish-supremacist idiots are fuelling anti-Semitism, while propping up a genocidal apartheid regime.

[-] Mrkawfee@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

A liberal democracy, apparently

[-] CyroSignal@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago

Germany is going too far...

[-] ZiggyTheZygote@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 month ago
[-] CyroSignal@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Too far right Yes, I'm sure the AFD will support this law.

[-] GuyIncognito@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 month ago

There's a weird thing with Europe where the far-right is less supportive of the fascist world empire (since they're sovereigntists, while the fasicst world empire is supranational), while the center right and center left are all-in.

[-] anon_8675309@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

Okay Germany, but this time they might deserve some of the hate.

[-] LuigiMaoFrance@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

So called right to exist.

[-] GuyIncognito@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 month ago
[-] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

Albert Einstein's letter to the NY Times was 100% correct about Israel and Palestine. Is the German government going to trash his name too?

[-] quips@slrpnk.net 4 points 1 month ago

You Europeans give Americans so much shit; This shit would NEVER happen in the US. We can say whatever the hell we want.

[-] Corporal_Punishment@feddit.uk 18 points 1 month ago

Rings a bit hollow when Europeans are being denied entry because we don't like Trump and the president is trying to shut down independent media.

[-] BygoneNeutrino@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

...we tend not to care about people who aren't United States citizens.

[-] Randelung@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

Or US citizens who aren't a certain color, or gender, for that matter.

[-] BygoneNeutrino@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Despite on what you might have read on Lemmy, most Americans aren't overtly racist. Alot of people want to reduce immigration, but that is because 80-90% of our total population growth is the result of immigration.

... it's not just about the impact it will inevitably have on our culture. As automation continues to take low income jobs, we will have a large surplus of unemployed lower class workers. There is a correlation between our low population density and our high standard of living.

[-] quips@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 month ago

Yeah I give you that, our border laws are insane

[-] TotallynotJessica 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Not only that, as an American citizen I can go to prison for existing in public. The immigration officers are a secret police that could detain me on the spot for my gender expression not matching my government ID, and my skin is the right shade of brown to receive their racial profiling.

I'm the type of American citizen who is on the front line for this shit, but when there is no one left to speak up for you, you'll be next. They will take your right to vote by rigging elections and making the legislature irrelevant. They will throw you in jail for being a terrorist if you oppose fascism. They have shown open disregard for the Constitution at every juncture, and if you become a problem person, don't expect it to save you.

This is not a distant problem, it is knocking at your door. You can't claim America is "free" anymore. That era is over.

[-] rwrwefwef@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 month ago

The US considers that no foreigner is entitled to passage in the country unless the government wills it. They've been milking this concept pretty much recently. But a US citizen can have as many memes they want on politicians and are allowed to enter and leave freely.

[-] Corporal_Punishment@feddit.uk 1 points 1 month ago

Can absolutely guarantee that if we implemented a similar rule, Vance and co would pitch an absolute fit

[-] anton 12 points 1 month ago
[-] quips@slrpnk.net 3 points 1 month ago

“So far, no federal law has been adopted.”

[-] kossa@feddit.org 2 points 1 month ago

The law talked about in the article has also not passed. It is a proposal.

[-] kossa@feddit.org 2 points 1 month ago

You can say whatever you want, but have to live in fear, that some government thugs in unmarked vans snatch you from the street and let you vanish in detention camps. Idk.

But, true enough, this proposed law discussed here is going too far. Fingers crossed that it does not pass (and it likely won't).

[-] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 1 points 1 month ago

Is there anywhere that has free speech and a functional healthcare system?

[-] lbfgs@programming.dev 1 points 1 month ago

Your occupation government demanded Germans to outlaw this type of speech in the postwar constitution.

[-] Paragone@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I wonder if they've the gall to jail somebody for wearing a t-shirt which reads:

Palestine & Israel have EQUAL right to exist.

?

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[-] Kaligalis@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

That's just what total democracy looks like. Completely normal. In Germany, some political parties (left and right) are also banned to make sure they can't ever be elected.

[-] Tarkcanis@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

Based on that time 3200+ years ago when they stole it.

[-] Kazel@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 month ago

Hier geht keiner in den knast für sowas, sind ja keine dummen amis, die ihre bevölkerung wegsperren

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