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The TL;DR is that the organization that controls the HDMI standard won't allow any open source implementation of HDMI 2.1.

So the hardware is fully capable of it, but they'll get in trouble if them officially implement it.

Instead it's officially HDMI 2 (which maxes out at 4k @ 60Hz), but through a technique called chroma sub-sampling they've been able to raise that up to 4k @ 120Hz.

However there are some minor reductions in picture quality because of this, and the whole thing would be much easier if the HDMI forum would be more consumer friendly.

In the meantime, the Steam Machine also has display port as a completely issue free display option.

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[-] princessnorah 2 points 11 hours ago

I'm not fully up-to-date with bleeding edge display technologies but is there any reason that a passive DP to HDMI adapter couldn't easily solve this issue? And would it cause Valve any strife to include one in the box?

[-] crater2150@feddit.org 4 points 10 hours ago

Passive DP-to-HDMI adapters only work if the device on the Displayport end supports Dual-Mode, i.e. using the Displayport to send an HDMI signal. They often do, but it would require the same driver support for HDMI 2.1. So this would require an active adapter.

[-] princessnorah 3 points 10 hours ago

Bother 😒

[-] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 36 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

Capitalism is so cool dude I love having inferior transit of 1s and 0s because some group of leeches in California own the shape that those 1s and 0s pass through

[-] derpgon@programming.dev 8 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

I so wish they only gave a complementary display cable and not an HDMI.

[-] echodot@feddit.uk 2 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

They do. But a lot of displays don't support DP so HDMI is there for them. If you have a capable TV, then there is no issue.

[-] derpgon@programming.dev 1 points 5 hours ago

Sorry, brainfarted, I meant cable not port.

[-] demizerone@lemmy.world 19 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

Fuck HDMI! All my homies use DisplayPort.

[-] Joelk111@lemmy.world 6 points 14 hours ago

Unfortunately my TV is not one of your homies.

[-] vxx@lemmy.world 14 points 23 hours ago

The main feature of Hdmi has always been DRM.

[-] klangcola@reddthat.com 44 points 1 day ago

AMD already spent a significant amount of effort implementing HDMI2.1 in their open driver in such a way that it would be compliment. The suits from HDMI consortium still said No.

https://www.phoronix.com/news/HDMI-2.1-OSS-Rejected

AMD Linux engineers have spent months working with their legal team and evaluating all HDMI features to determine if/how they can be exposed in their open-source driver. AMD had code working internally and then the past few months were waiting on approval from the HDMI Forum... Sadly, the HDMI Forum has turned down AMD's request for open-source driver support.

AMD Linux engineer Alex Deucher commented on the ticket:

"The HDMI Forum has rejected our proposal unfortunately. At this time an open source HDMI 2.1 implementation is not possible without running afoul of the HDMI Forum requirements."
[-] b34k@lemmy.world 4 points 23 hours ago

As a bazzite user, with it connected to my living room TV that only has HDMI ports, yeah this was obviously why Valve said 2.1 isn’t supported at the steam machine reveal.

[-] NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 day ago

I have a HDMI splitter, like a 5 input 1 output thing. I have not used it in awhile. Does HDMI pass through the DRM or is the DRM in the splitter?

[-] Fubarberry@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 day ago

The source device (the steam machine in this case) will check with the display and see what the highest HDMI standard they both support is. It may also check if your splitter supports it, but I suspect the splitter is just a passthrough device.

[-] NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zip 2 points 23 hours ago

I figured. I also used the wrong term, it is a switch.

[-] green_link@lemmy.world 2 points 23 hours ago

I know some HDMI switches will, some won't and others will strip the DRM and let the picture go through. I had to try several ones to get a conference room TV to work with a HDMI auto switch. Funny it was the cheaper model on Amazon lol

[-] mlg@lemmy.world 38 points 1 day ago

I'm honestly surprised TV OEMs haven't bothered to at least try throwing in DisplayPort, especially during the period of time it far exceeded the highest possible quality on HDMI.

HDMI is just the last hardware standard created from the ashes of the format wars that has no practical place anymore. It only exists to collect hostage licensing fees.

[-] barryamelton@lemmy.world 31 points 1 day ago

Tv oems are the ones that set up the hdmi club. They want the content encrypted with drm, from transit, to your pc, to your cable, to your screen. Look up the analog hole. This battle has been going on for 20 years. Share this with interested people.

[-] princessnorah 1 points 11 hours ago

HDCP (the DRM HDMI uses) is interface-agnostic though? It works over DisplayPort, heck it even works over DVI. I think that makes your argument about DRM fall apart, though TV OEMs did indeed promote the adoption of HDMI.

[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 12 points 1 day ago

I don't know why they'd think I'd capture 600MB/s of uncompressed video though.

Since the torrent sites are crammed with full quality 4k Bluray remuxes and WebDLs direct from Amazon, there's clearly easier and better ways of doing this than putting encryption in a cable.

[-] nlgranger@lemmy.world 1 points 10 hours ago

I don’t know why they’d think I’d capture 600MB/s of uncompressed video though.

Pirating live streams of sport event, which is a huge business.

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[-] clot27@lemmy.zip 109 points 2 days ago

fuck HDMI

all my homies hate HDMI

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[-] IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works 209 points 2 days ago

With TVs starting to get USB-C inputs, which are displayport under the hood, hopefully HDMI fucks off.

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[-] asudox@lemmy.asudox.dev 170 points 2 days ago
[-] sonalder@lemmy.ml 87 points 2 days ago

Yeah fuck the video codec mafia and all these proprietary shits like HDMI

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[-] NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zip 50 points 2 days ago

I hated HMDI when it came out, and I continue to hate it.

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