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submitted 6 days ago by MicroWave@lemmy.world to c/world@lemmy.world

Russia and the US did not make progress toward a peace deal for Ukraine during their talks, a senior aide to Vladimir Putin has said, hours after the Russian president issued threats that Russia was ready for war with Europe.

In remarks to Russian media, Kremlin aide Yuri Ushakov said that after a five-hour meeting with Trump envoy Steve Witkoff and Trump’s son-in-law Jared Kushner, the two sides were “neither further nor closer to resolving the crisis in Ukraine. There is a lot of work to be done.”

The downbeat assessment of Tuesday night’s diplomacy follows combative opening statements from Putin as Witkoff and Kushnerarrived for talks at the Kremlin, in which he accused European powers of sabotaging peace in Ukraine and that “European demands” on ending the war were “not acceptable to Russia”.

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[-] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 112 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Russia wasn’t even ready to invade one of its former blocs. And that bloc has more than decimated its forces and resources.

But hey, my grandfather got to watch Allied Europe destroy a fascist state that thought it could take over the world, now me and my son get to as well.

"When you are weak, pretend you are strong." Pretty much sums it up.

[-] Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca 30 points 6 days ago

This is actually reasonable in warfare and encouraged by Sun Tzu, but once the deception is exposed, there is little advantage in clinging to it.

[-] AAA@feddit.org 21 points 6 days ago

But there's also nothing to gain by admitting and stopping the deception. As long as there's one useful idiot who can be deceived, you cna keep it going.

And unfortunately there's a lot of useful idiots.

[-] snooggums@piefed.world 23 points 6 days ago

Russia exposed the deception by completely fucking up the invasion of Ukraine.

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[-] wuffah@lemmy.world 13 points 6 days ago

Except this time the fascist states are nuclear capable. The idea here is to avoid nuclear war.

[-] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 1 points 10 hours ago

The idea here is to avoid nuclear war.

The USSR was nuclear-capable when it collapsed. Russia was nuclear-capable while failing in Afghanistan, and also has been in its so-far failed attack on Ukraine. Same goes for the US in Vietnam and in Afghanistan. A country having nukes doesn't mean you have to comply with its every whim.

[-] Serinus@lemmy.world 31 points 6 days ago

Then they should leave Ukraine.

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[-] BigBenis@lemmy.world 66 points 6 days ago

They also said that their invasion of Ukraine would take only three days.

[-] vxx@lemmy.world 43 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

They said they would never attack Ukraine. In fact they've written it down and signed it.

Lmfao no you’re not, fuckwit. You’re deploying infantry bum rushes in appropriated civilian sedans with the doors ripped off. The Taliban has better kit than that, for fuck’s sake.

[-] fox2263@lemmy.world 23 points 6 days ago

According to the tankies, Russia now has the largest army ever at 1.5m men and are stronger than when they started the special operation. So like they have ..the cards…and not just endless meat waves. It doesn’t matter they’ve only gained inches of territory in months.

[-] SirEDCaLot@lemmy.today 5 points 6 days ago

Or that Ukraine is holding them off with basically scraps of obsolete Western military equipment, very little first line hardware. Attack Europe and you find the full weight of NATO's first line military hardware shoved up your ass. Somebody pushes a button somewhere and a few dozen Tomahawk missiles destroy your ability to wage war in an afternoon. Nukes not even needed if every airfield and military supply depot within 500 mi of Europe is a smoking crater.

[-] fox2263@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago

And Ukraine using some modern stuff manage to deep strike Russian economic targets. And new homegrown stuff too.

Putin is trying to save face and trying to entice NATO to attack Russia to justify the wars

[-] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 1 points 10 hours ago

Trump is Putin's hail-Mary. The only way Putin gets a victory in Ukraine is if it is handed to him.

[-] Jhex@lemmy.world 30 points 6 days ago

well if Russia is as "ready" to fight Europe as it was to fight Ukraine, we have no problem

[-] Illecors@lemmy.cafe 14 points 6 days ago

Destroyed lives and whole towns is hardly a "no problem". russia needs a good kick in the teeth, but these things are never free. I hope Europe is ready to finally stand up.

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[-] ThePowerOfGeek@lemmy.world 55 points 6 days ago

Just like they were ready to fully conquer Ukraine, fight?

[-] MelodiousFunk@slrpnk.net 22 points 6 days ago

Just gonna take a little long weekend and acquire some territory, nothin fancy.

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[-] realitista@lemmus.org 36 points 6 days ago

Russia says a lot of things. But Europe does need to step up production quickly.

[-] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 22 points 6 days ago

He says, as they are press-ganging migrants to fight on the front lines and fabricating evidence in order to seize oligarch fortunes.

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[-] switcheroo@lemmy.world 40 points 6 days ago

Russia losing to a small country and now think they can take on all of the Europe?

We know his orange sock puppet has full on dementia, maybe Pootin needs a checkup too?

[-] NimdaQA@lemmy.ml 7 points 6 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

You forgot that this 'small country' has the second largest military in Europe behind only Russia, and one that was trained by NATO since 2014.

[-] Corporal_Punishment@feddit.uk 31 points 6 days ago

When Ukraine was invaded it had an army of approx 150k troops. Several hundred tanks. A couple of hundred aircraft. A couple of hundred rocket projectors.

None of it newer than the early 90s.

Russia had nearly a million troops, 12,000 tanks, several thousand aircraft, thousands and thousands of rocket projectors and heavy artillery.

And nuclear weapons.

Tell us again how they were evenly matched?

By any normal metric, Russia should have steamrolled Ukraine. The fact it didnt, even with that huge advantage means that any major european power (UK/France/Germany/Poland) could fend them off quite easily, even alone. But we aren't alone, Russia would be trying to take us all off the board.

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[-] not_that_guy05@lemmy.world 40 points 6 days ago

Now he's ready for war now that his puppet is back in power.

[-] peopleproblems@lemmy.world 26 points 6 days ago

Yeah, anyone seeing this as Putin doing jackshit is kidding themselves.

This is about having the US attack Europe. Or maybe just Ukraine. Who knows.

It doesn't really matter. What matters is that the US is compromised, and Europe needs to be ready for that yesterday.

[-] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 1 points 10 hours ago

The US needs to clean house, and the sooner, the better.

Otherwise we're going to be drawn into the wrong side of a world war.

[-] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 18 points 6 days ago

I don’t see an appetite in the states for war with Venezuela, a nation we’ve been conditioned to think of as godless socialists for 20+ years, let alone one with NATO allies. Trump doesn’t have unlimited power, as much as he wishes he does.

Either way, Europe should be gearing up.

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[-] UnspecificGravity@piefed.social 15 points 6 days ago

Kinda hard to rattle your saber when you already smashed it to pieces failing to kill a crippled animal.

[-] xxce2AAb@feddit.dk 31 points 6 days ago

Are they now..? Then it seems rather odd - in light of their usual behavior - that they're just talking instead of acting upon it.

Why, it's almost like Putin is so completely full of shit that the pressure is forcing it out his mouth.

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[-] Doomsider@lemmy.world 12 points 6 days ago

Cool, now that Putin is openly threatening war with Europe they will of course stop buying his oil...right!!??

[-] a9cx34udP4ZZ0@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I wish I could have such a small minded view of world politics that I could also pretend it's as simple as: just stopy buying that thing from that person.

And then what? Northern Europe can heat their homes on hopes and dreams? Throw up a couple nuclear reactors that are known to only take months to build and bring online?

Europe has been actively moving away from Russian oil where possible (down to 19% from a high of 27%), but it's not like the market just magically is going to come up with enough supply for the entire continent overnight.

That's ignoring the fact that the vast majority of "european" purchases come from a handful of countries, primarily Hungary, who is also being run by a pro-Russian dictator.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/10/3/how-much-of-europes-oil-and-gas-still-comes-from-russia

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[-] redpastaknife@lemmy.world 14 points 6 days ago

These .ml folks comments are diabolical 🤣

[-] bonenode@piefed.social 14 points 6 days ago

Europe is preventing nothing but the full annexation of Ukraine.

[-] discocactus@lemmy.world 11 points 6 days ago

France, laughing with a functional nuclear arsenal...

[-] ms_lane@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago

Germany, not laughing when they remember where France had the targets set.

[-] molestme247@lemmy.world 11 points 6 days ago

Sounds a lot like the orange fuck stains crying, bow it make sense where he learned it. Hey trump, tru shutting the fuck up and dying, do Americans a favorite

[-] P00ptart@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago

Russia is struggling against one country, how TF do they think they could take on Europe as a whole?

[-] khepri@lemmy.world 9 points 6 days ago

Oh fucking bring it you cold war-ass Goldeneye dingdong, we're ready

[-] Pringles@sopuli.xyz 6 points 6 days ago

We are not ready though. Mentally, sure, but in case of an all out war we would still run out of ammo, bombs and manpower in weeks. Only now do we see the first factories and production lines coming online based on the investments of the past years and even then not all the supply lines have been adjusted for it. Europe could probably be ready by the end of 2027 at the earliest, provided it removes its command and control dependency from the US.

Realistically, Europe won't be ready until 2030. That's not to say we wouldn't be able to get ready sooner, we absolutely would, if we were to switch to a war economy. But nobody wants that, because it ruins your economy and is grossly expensive.

That doesn't mean we would get crushed, that wouldn't be the case, but we would be on the defensive for a while until the gears of war are properly greased.

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[-] _Nico198X_@europe.pub 3 points 5 days ago

Sure, grandpa. Let's get you back to prison...

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