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[-] veni_vedi_veni@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago

I always go to war with Venezuala in all my Vic3 games for this reason.

[-] MiddleAgesModem@lemmy.world 13 points 15 hours ago

"No MoRe WaRs" and Trump the Peacemaker was a big part of their campaign. Hopefully invading Venezuela would hurt him more politically than any oil but who am I kidding? They'll all just lie like they always do.

[-] MoreFPSmorebetter@lemmy.zip 11 points 21 hours ago

What many people don't realize is that a significant chunk of our oil processing infrastructure in America is designed for Venezuelas oil specifically. It's very thick and that means a very different procedure for refinement. Thinner/watery crude oil from other places in the world is much easier to work with and many other places are already set up to refine that oil. Not everyone in the world is set up to process Venezuelas crude oil.

This also means we can't just get oil somewhere else and run it through those same refineries with the same results. Venezuela has the single largest oil reserves and America spent a lot of time, energy and money to process that oil.

So yes it is about oil, but it's much more complicated than simply "oil".

[-] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 day ago
[-] MiddleAgesModem@lemmy.world 6 points 15 hours ago

It is feeling real 2003 right about now

[-] dustyData@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Eh, the reason there's so little exports is because the extraction collapsed when all the workers at the national company, PDVSA, were fired in a single day for political reasons. Then the drop in prices in 2015 further destroyed all facilities. Even if the US invades today, it would take decades to rebuild the infrastructure back to pre-2000 levels of export.

[-] MrMakabar@slrpnk.net 7 points 1 day ago

It is a combination of sanctions and a lot of infrastructure being broken. But a lot can be repaired relatively quickly. You do not need peak production levels to make a hell of a lot of money.

[-] Gladaed@feddit.org 18 points 1 day ago

Their oil is bad and investing in new oil drilling is likely to yield low returns as a crash is incoming due to renewables being cheaper and most states having a desire to alleviate climate change risks.

[-] MrMakabar@slrpnk.net 11 points 1 day ago

and that is why the oil industry funds the far right with such insane sums. It is also really good news, as a decline in oil consumption is really going to hurt the far right.

[-] Spaniard@lemmy.world 22 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Venezuela Oil is poor quality which means it costs a lot to refine.

[-] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Wouldn't refining companies like that?

[-] Spaniard@lemmy.world 2 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

It's not worth it, maybe one day it will be worth but we are developing alternatives... Plenty of reserves in allied countries and I think the US has big untouched reserves just in case.

Venezuela is incapable of processing that oil because when they nationalized the industry they fucked it so hard now they don't have the tools, that's what Bolivarism does.

[-] xxce2AAb@feddit.dk 77 points 2 days ago

To misattribute a quote to Gordon Ramsey: “You’ve put so much oil in this, the US want to invade the plate”.

[-] Johanno@feddit.org 11 points 1 day ago

Well we have reserves in barrels and export ind dollars.

So nobody can get any information about how much oil was actually exported.

I don't know the oil price. I don't think everyone is paying the same.

This is almost useless

[-] 9point6@lemmy.world 33 points 1 day ago

oh I wonder if it's oil...

Clicks in

It was oil

[-] infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 23 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

And they'd be exporting plenty if they weren't sanctioned by the world's largest military and single biggest consumer of oil.

Literally the most similar country on Earth to Venezuela, both politically and economically, is Norway. But they're white. That's the big difference.

[-] khepri@lemmy.world 4 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

It hard to think of two more dissimilar nations, outside of the fact that they both have oil and both coincidentally have almost identical GDPs (despite Venezula having about 6 times the population of Norway). But in any other area you care to consider, from per-capita GDP to political stability to education to economic diversification to healthcare to corruption to age distribution to civil liberties to pollution to population growth to the HDI, they are in extremely sharp contrast in almost every way we measure nations. Politically, it's a stable parliamentary democracy up against a polarized authoritarian-leaning republic, pretty darn far from each other. Yes, they are both resource-dependent, state-central, and redistributional nations, but they go about it in virtually opposite ways functionally, and there are dozens of such countries that would rank closely on those generic metrics.

[-] dustyData@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

Lol, I wish. Norway is as similar to Venezuela as North Korea and New Zealand are to each other.

[-] infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 2 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

You gonna explain why you think so, or...?

Couldn't help but notice that you showed up and got 4 updoots right around the same time I got my only 4 downdoots.

Not that I necessarily think they're related. Just a funny coincidence. Haha.

[-] prole 2 points 14 hours ago

Because white

[-] dustyData@lemmy.world 4 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

Must be the other four people from Venezuela besides me on the fediverse. That know for a fact that Venezuela is nothing like Norway and explaining why would take an essay that I have no time to write because I have a life outside of arguing on the internet. But I'm not interested in doing anyway since it's a somewhat dumb comparison to make in the first place.

However, the fact you find coincidental patterns in up and downvotes so suspect suggest why would you draw such an outrageous conclusion from what I assume is the cliff notes of Wikipedia articles and propaganda pieces.

[-] infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 5 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

I don't find them suspect. I just find them interesting, Guy Who Left Venezuela And Volunteers His Opinions Without Explaining them (Reminds me of Boomer Who Moved Out Of The Soviet Bloc In 1970 And Invariably Shows Up Tell You That Communism Can Never Work Without Explaining Every Time A Progressive Voices Support For Social Politics On The Internet... I do wish he had a more concise name).

In all seriousness I'm a little touchey on this subject too. I have a few friends in Venezuela who's lives are hell, not for local politics but for American sanctions and war threats over the past decade. They're committed to their families. I don't really know what I'm going to do if my government ends up hurting them.

[-] dustyData@lemmy.world 1 points 10 hours ago

Let me guess, you have black friends too?

OH, shoot. Just noticed your instance. I have no desire to argue with hateful tankies. Bye.

[-] infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 2 points 6 hours ago

...Slrpnk? It's a small social ecology themed instance. Nothing to do with state communism or tankies. But I'd prefer you not argue with me regardless, thanks.

[-] answersplease77@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

The United States of terrorist America are going for the worst outcome for climate change: more fossil fuel through war. There is no hope for future generations if this goes through

[-] 0_o7@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 day ago

But but but the west loves the free market and all that...

These wankies only care about "free market" when they're on the top exploiting.

As soon as a strong competitor appears, the market is cornered, blackmailed, forcefully sold off to friends/families, or simply sanctioned or embargoed along with countries who are willing to do business with them.

[-] Skavau@piefed.social 2 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

I strongly oppose any US intervention in Venezuela, but the notion their civil society is equivalent to Norway other than superficial observation that both are oil-rich is absurd.

[-] Asfalttikyntaja@sopuli.xyz 6 points 1 day ago
[-] sexy_peach@feddit.org 5 points 1 day ago

Climate heroes

[-] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

It's because their name is so fun to say.

Ven-e-zue-la!

[-] anotherspinelessdem@lemmy.ml 21 points 1 day ago

Guess Iran and Canada better get some goddamn nukes then

[-] copd@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Have you guys already forgotten the sortie of B-2s and GBU-57s on Fordow? Damn it's scary how quickly people forget

[-] theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 day ago

Not allowed only the countries who had nukes firsts are allowed to have them ever its nuclear non proliferation on top of that the ones that have them pinkie promise to phase them out any day now. This is totally fair and balanced and we will bomb you if you disagree.

[-] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

to phase them out any day now

tbf lots of progress has already been made:

Source

And i'm definitely a fan of not every small country having them. imagine how much harm they could do.

[-] Ilixtze@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 day ago

At this point everyone should get nukes

[-] Emerald@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

You get a nuke, and you get a nuke, and you get a nuke, everybody gets a nuke!

[-] infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 3 points 1 day ago

Yo someone go let Iran know that they should probably be getting nukes. Not sure if they're aware of the need /s

[-] GaryGhost@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

Better yet, our military gets there and can't find oil. Oops, let's prop up another dictatorship

[-] Seefoo@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

No guys, seriously? Its definitely 100% about ~~their freedom~~ the drug "problem".

[-] thedirtyknapkin@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

why does this graph have a 2:1 ratio of content to border? did you open it full screen on an ultrawide monitor to screenshot it then not crop or?

I'm used to seeing lots of vertical borders because of phones, but this almost seems like it took more effort to make this way.

[-] hitstun@feddit.online 9 points 1 day ago

OP really wanted that red rectangle with a red arrow, I guess. Here's the original from this Al Jazeera story:

[-] Mrkawfee@feddit.uk 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I took a screenshot from my phone of Sean Foo's YouTube video. I appreciate it looks bad but didn't know how to fix it. I redid it by from YouTube on my desktop so hopefully it looks better now.

Link to video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lMQTqWxrNY

[-] zjti8eit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 day ago

Stop taking screen shots of web content

[-] Mrkawfee@feddit.uk 2 points 1 day ago

I dont normally but I was on the move, the citation is at the bottom of the page and I linked the source it was from. Worse crimes have been committed

[-] infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 3 points 1 day ago

Thank god for that red arrow and red box. Would have been lost without them.

[-] biber@feddit.org 4 points 1 day ago

It's complicated.. i thought this video provides a nice primer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-Mh-ndtqAY

[-] OwlPaste@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago
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