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Those were the good ol days.
They dont sound appreciative, we should withhold them again.
Get humor.
Wish more women knew that. Especially those voting for libs and far-right.
It's funny, because what women did in the 1910s to win the vote would almost certainly be described as "terrorism" in the modern moment
Yeah anything that works even a little is terrorism.
For real. Magas transported back to 1910's would be like
Your are against male privilege, you are trying to get new "rights", and you want to change our God given right to treat women how they deserve to be?
Sounds like woke Antifa terrorism to me.
Even funnier, this is the exact thing they would say about ratifying the Equal Rights Amendment today.
No no. You don't understand.
Sufferegates were doing bombings and arsons.
The campaign, led by key WSPU figures such as Emmeline Pankhurst, targeted infrastructure, government, churches and the general public, and saw the use of improvised explosive devices, arson, letter bombs, assassination attempts and other forms of direct action and violence.
This is hyperbole
Sounds like woke Antifa terrorism to me.
If modern leftists had an ounce of the enthusiasm of First Wave Feminists, we'd unironically be talking about them like we talk about Timothy McVeigh or Ted Kaczynski
So some extremists killed some people who were denounced by suffragettes as terrorists.
These extremists didn't get the right to vote and instead gave up their struggle for the war.
Is someone wearing rose colored comparing suffragettes to murderers conflating and effective peaceful movement with an ineffective violent one?
No id be saying "all my comrades are way cooler than me. I need to get my shit together; there's a real chance we could win a future where theres still habitable earth."
Instead of "you're all dipshit reactionaries cosplaying 1950s civil rights movements and not trying to actually change anything. Love the vibes though. Wanna get high?"
you’re all dipshit reactionaries cosplaying 1950s civil rights movements and not trying to actually change anything.
Idk who this "you all" is. Pretty wide spectrum of individuals in the movement
Rights are never given, they’re taken, all the way back to the Magna Carta. Rights can also be taken away if people don’t step up and defend them. The universe does not care about us!
Rights are taken by force and then forfeited again by future generations who took no part in the original sacrifice. For example, habeas corpus established in the Magna Carta is less of a guaranteed right in the USA after Obama signed the National Defense Authorization Act that legalized indefinite detention of citizens.
Obama signed the National Defense Authorization Act
I'm so glad that somebody still remembers that. He also decided that summary executions of US citizens was just fine, demolishing another pillar of due process. "Voting blue" on its own does nothing to safeguard our rights.
We’re watching our rights being systematically removed and or history be erased in real time
The sufragette movement pressured the government (men) to give women the right to vote. In what universe is this not an accurate description of what happened?
This was done via state campaigns to change state law giving women in targeted state the right to vote. Once enough states had that right/law on the books it made federal constitutional amendment possible, without needing to lobby the federal government to give women the right.
Giving something at gunpoint isnt really giving it.
That thing is being taken.
I think this is the source of our disagreement. In my mind, the word "give" has at most a mild connotation of volition.
Interesting. So like whats the dividing line between 'being given something' and 'taking something'?
For me, you can't use 'give' if there was no action on the giver's behalf, but coerced action counts as action. Same with take -- you 'take' something only if you're capable of a 'take' action. So if you're in a coma, you can't 'take' anything offered to you (except in idiomatic phrases where action on the taker isn't expected, e.g. "to take abuse").
This is why I seriously believe that OP's image is controversial more do to a difference in our linguistic understanding of the word "give" than do to a differing understanding of the facts.
Edit: I think what may be happening here is the so-called "non-central" fallacy.
Office, I didn't take anything. I simply showed the man my revolver and he helpfully opened his wallet and gave me everything inside
Yes, this is essentially the sense in which I mean "give." You got it. This is unironically why the OP image is ragebait -- "give" is literally what happened. I don't know of anyone who would deny the suffragettes and their agitation are the reason women were given the right to vote.
Again: the agitation of the suffragettes might be the reason that men voted for 19A, but without men voting to introduce and ratify 19A, no amount of agitation would have been sufficient. Outright terrorism wouldn't have worked, without men choosing to vote for 19A. The only other way women would have gotten the right to vote was by using sufficient levels of violence to overthrow the state governments.
That's the fundamental reason that minority groups--non-white people, LGBTQ+ people, etc.--NEED allies. Unless the majority is willing to vote to give full rights to minorities, unless there's a sea-change in public opinion, you simply don't see minorities being given rights equal to the majority.
willing to vote
You clearly do not understand how power works.
Allies are great. You don't them for voting. If all someone's willing to do is vote, they are not an ally.
You need to make the powerful suffer. That is the only way to step outside the margins.
Well this is "ally" in the liberal, within-the-system sense of the word. That's still what most people would see as an ally.
fully agree
Hell yeah I love women
In the US, Wyoming prostitutes gave women the right to vote. Because women were so scarce in the territory, they held a lot of power, political and economic. Wyoming women demanded the right to vote and hold office and the men ratified the right happily. When the US wanted Wyoming to join the union, Wyoming's response was "not without our women". So, that's how Wyoming became the first state in the union to allow women citizens to vote.
Sex workers are consistently at or near the vanguard of good social change.
people with the most exposure to how fucked things are are always the most likely to seek solutions that will unfuck things
I'm ignorant on the topic. Do you know where I can learn more about this?
I don't know in general, but Lou Graham, the Seattle Madam is a pretty famous historical figure and did an immense amount of good, including HUGE donations to children's education.
Basically any radical history or sex worker activist or history of sex work that doesn't have a bullshit agenda.
Sorry I'd be more particular but I'm nowhere near sober.
Serious question even though I know if the answer isn't "no one" it just sound stupid or loaded to people from these cultural circles:
Who twists the history in a way to light voting rights for women as some kind of male achievement? Oo
I mean I've heard of individual men being supportive but that word already implies them not being the drivers.
I'm genuinely curious because with no exposure to that framing the post reads like ragebaiting - but it also might be justified rage I just wasn't exposed to so far, if you get my drift.
The political right in the US is doing that.
Often that's conflated into meaning just men in general tho
It's being referred to as a privilege that can be taken away. There has been discussion among the ultra right in the last four years of making the male head of household the only one with voting rights.
This law is being pushed to "protect the integrity of votes" by only letting people vote if their name matches their birth certificate, which would put up a barrier to climb over for married women who have changed their last name and trans people whose names don't match their birth certificate and people who don't have access to or the money to get a copy of their birth certificate.
The Pentagon says Pete Hegseth supports women's right to vote, even though he reposts videos of church leaders saying they should not vote.
https://www.cnn.com/2025/08/15/politics/pentagon-hegseth-womens-right-to-vote
I'm a divorced cisgender woman who legally changed my name to something that is neither my maiden name nor my married name and got a new birth certificate to back it up. I wonder if I'd get around their stupid rules or if they'd just drag me out back and execute me.
Depends on your state of fertility. You may be given a red dress and assigned to a new house. Blessed be the fruit.
Thankfully I found a doctor who permanently took care of that problem forever :) I am one of the conservatives' nightmares: a divorced 30-something single cat lady who can't have babies, lives alone, and works a fuck ton of hours to pay all my own bills. I'm also useless as a housewife and I curse a fuckton. Meek tradwife/breeding material I am not.
Oh my fucking god. Like ... I knew that the US politics were derailed/deranged but. Wait, I'm actually surprised that I'm surprised by this. It's ... Consistent.
Thanks for this anyway, today I learned something - although the thing itself is shitty the learning isn't 💜
Men like Trump, who want to get credit for all the things that people supporting him consider good, and deflect blame for all the crappy things he's actually responsible for (or that any respectable leader would take responsibility for because they are the leader, regardless of if they actually were behind it).
Oh shit, did he go as far as to claim he was personally responsible? Wouldn't surprise me.
It would be hilarious if Trump claimed to be personally responsible for women voting rights though. Terrifying but also funny!
Remember that your power was used to get you voting 'rights', not derived from them.
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