Given the precedent with Framework: does somebody know if the maintainer of FWUpd is right-wing?
What difference would that make? (I'm not familiar with the precedent, so probably missing some context)
Edit: Downvotes? Was my question (or my ignorance) somehow offensive?
framework, the hardware company, gave money to nazis who use open source to promote and normalize their divisive ideologies of hatred. of particular note they donated to the development of omarchy, a wildly unprofessional linux "distribution" put together by the fascist creator of ruby on rails
That raises more questions than it answers 😅 I appreciate the effort though.
I run NixOS on a few servers. I remember there being some controversy around them accepting contributions (either money or code — my memory of it is a little fuzzy) from some company that's part of the military industrial complex. Is Framework worse than that?
It's to know whether it's still ethically safe to keep using FWUpd or not.
This might be damage control
Cool, but I don't care how big Framework makes their tent. They will not see a cent from me.
Purity testing everything you use means you have to get off Lemmy, if you look at the statements from some of the core devs. It is no way to live and is pretty much incompatible with being on the internet. Framework is clearly doing more good than harm, and while no company is perfect or immune from critique, feedback from customers does more than knee-jerk comments from people with no stakes.
It's not a purity test, it's boycotting an admitted Nazi friendly organization. When Framework chose to embrace, financially support, and then when called out on it, specifically state that the Nazis are welcome in their big tent, that tent became a Nazi tent. That's not a tent me or many others want to be in, because that makes the Nazis feel welcome and free to attack anyone else in the tent with no repercussions and with the full, spoken support of Framework.
Fuck that, and fuck you if you don't like it.
No, I just don't give them any money. If I were to procure a Framework Laptop by means of a genie wish, I would still use it. I am probably using a ton of open source software right now made by people I can't stand. Also I can purity check and boycott whoever I like, whenever I like. I don't have to live by your rules. You do you.
So you'd rather buy a laptop from a vendor that gives price breaks to ICE, such as Dell and HP, or one indirectly owned by the CCP such as Lenovo? That's certainly a choice.
... you could just buy from another company like framework but without the nazi shit.
Like: https://novacustom.com/
Configure what laptop you want and buy it.
If any random part breaks, you can buy a replacement and switch it out.
Never heard of these guys, thanks for posting that. Their prices are a bit rough, but so are Framework's these days. Do they offer board schematics like Framework does?
buy used or third party refurbished. just because all the big tech companies are evil is no reason to excuse evil in small tech
K, so then don't buy a computer because no company is perfect.
or… you could buy used or third party refurbished. there's so much equipment out there for the having that's totally usable for most people. which is consistent with what i said before. if you absolutely must buy new, yeah, make appraisal of the ethical contributions to the world of what's available, but yeah. all these companies are evil so buying pre-owned equipment limits how much they can exploit us, which is why i said that before
one indirectly owned by the CCP such as Lenovo?
You could say this about literally every Chinese owned company. Eliminate all Chinese and all American companies and there's not a lot of goods left you could purchase. Even less when it comes to goods made for other companies in China by Chinese firms.
That's exactly my point though. If I'm supposed to vote for the lesser of two evils, shouldn't I be applying that to the rest of my life?
Wait, are you arguing that the US is the lesser of two evils in this situation? Like, right now, this United States of America, the one that has a fascist regime in power?
Do you intend to purchase a new laptop from another vendor?
So you won't buy the most user maintainable and repairable laptop, that also comes with Linux and probably worth open source firmware in the not too distant future because you don't like the politics of the owner of an open source project the company supports?
That really feels like cutting off your nose to spite your face
I mean, when the political stance of the supported company is "I would literally murder you of I could" the politics become kinda relevant 🥲
So what are you buying instead?
Honestly, when my current laptop dies, I will just get a used cheap thinkpad just like anybody else or even SSD any trash-going relic. If you want some alternative, someone commented this that looked interesting: https://mntre.com/reform.html
Although it comes with obvious limitations: https://forum.fairphone.com/t/is-the-mnt-reform-the-best-repairable-laptop-available/113321
Unless I am mistaken Lenovo has at least all of the ethical issues of Framework if not more. What would make a used Lenovo better than a used Framework?
Fair point. Mostly price, you can get one for like 100€. I also feel like the used market is more fair than buying new, so there's that.
If it were me, I'd go novacustom. They're framework without the nazi shit.
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