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Ever since its concenption, those of us who use the lemmyverse (maybe not me) have administrated it based on all of the very things he says we should watch out for in his latest StarTalk.

Every. Last. Thing.

Ironically (to use an example) all these points he brings up also converged in the "Leni drama" where the accusers who were bringing up all these different points and invalidating people with the opposite points now look really awkward in hindsight, especially the unapologetic ones. Proof that the masses can be in the wrong.

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[-] Jumbie@lemmy.zip 11 points 3 days ago

This reads like a paragraph explaining some obscure teenage drama show.

[-] PatrickStar@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 days ago
[-] atro_city@fedia.io 1 points 2 days ago

@Jedikkeneus@sh.itjust.works what does the video have to do with lemmy? He doesn't mention it once.

[-] Jedikkeneus@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago

He mentions flaws in the way people do things which can then be applied to it.

[-] atro_city@fedia.io 1 points 1 day ago
[-] Jedikkeneus@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago

Most things are relevant to certain points, but most things also aren't relevant to all the points.

[-] atro_city@fedia.io 1 points 23 hours ago

Those are words but you're saying nothing at all. "It depends" isn't a serious answer. Everything depends on something.

[-] Jedikkeneus@sh.itjust.works 1 points 14 minutes ago

Not what I was saying (and why be so objectivist when you don't understand something).

Most things (as in anything you might be thinking of) is relevant to certain points (in the lecture), but most things (as in anything you might be thinking of) aren't relevant to all the points (there are twelve points; most things are relevant to a few points).

[-] dharmacurious@slrpnk.net 1 points 3 days ago

Would also really love some context here. Probably don't have time to listen to a full star talk any time soon, but if you could just hit the highlights for us, maybe?

[-] Jedikkeneus@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 days ago

Star Talk is a serial hosted by Neil DeGrasse Tyson which is kind of like what Hank Green does. He has been talking more and more lately though about the science of humanity and communication. I didn't know if I was allowed to give direct citations here, but it can be looked up.

[-] dharmacurious@slrpnk.net 1 points 2 days ago

I'm familiar with star talk, I was asking what Neil said in the podcast that made you think that he would be against the fediverse

[-] PatrickStar@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 days ago

After watching the video myself, I found a few takeaways relevant...

  1. He is denouncing forms of crowdthink.
  2. He denounces the way people on Lemmy tend to grab sources and distribute biased knowledge.
  3. Key red flags he gives describe the core fabric of Lemmy's culture, such as when he says it's a red flag when we interpret peoples' intent for each other or try to tell each other how to feel about certain things.
  4. The very beginning of the video has him talk about the difficulty of defining a good source over a bad one due to how we cannot be certain of anything and how our ideology might be natural to us only due to our circumstances. People on Lemmy tend to not think in any terms other than "if it's what I'm accustomed to, it's right".
  5. He talks about sources in a way that makes all the instances of people on Lemmy complaining about others sealioning look bad.
  6. OP is historical on Lemmy and has seen all the things he talks about converge on her in ways that violate absolutely everything he says (one of the key ones even has a community trying to establish sealioning as inherently wrong). It's buried now, but look up material related to "Leni, "Lenny", or "Call me Lenny/Leni" (that was their full screen name). This individual who led a witch hunt against Leni (short for Madeline, if you get tired of saying Leni) even got the whole fediverse to violate the "indicting a whole demographic" red flag because this place is far from his way of thinking, not that it isn't common for them to do this to big businesses in general. I remember getting mixed into it just because I merely asked about her and shared a meme and being accused of being Leni.

I am currently running an experiment about this as an example in progress.

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