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It's a diplomatic reset that would have seemed unimaginable months ago. After years of mutual hostility, Canada and China are beginning to thaw their once-frosty relationship. But **former national security analyst and policy advisor Dennis Molinaro **says Canada's failure to act on decades of Chinese intelligence warnings has hurt our country's ability to meet current geopolitical challenges. He speaks with Piya Chattopadhyay about the long and complicated history of Canada-China relations – and the lessons that should be applied to today.

This is a podacst (19 min).

Dr. Molinaro is a researcher at the University of Ontario focusing on counter-intelligence, foreign interference, the history of intelligence and the use of emergency powers in peacetime.

Dennis Molinaro also wrote an opinion piece: China’s secret war in Canada

... the West’s interactions with nation-states such as the People’s Republic of China (PRC), they have been governed by a specific delusion for half a century. Canada ... believed that if it did business with China, extended a hand of friendship, China would transform itself into a liberal-democratic country. Trade would lead to freedom. But Canada was wrong. Beijing never considered joining a liberal order and instead used Canada as a backdoor to the U.S. and as a means of exploiting resources and technology.

... The stories of secret PRC police stations in the news a little more than a year ago weren’t a new phenomenon. The PRC had been interfering and seeking to influence the political and civic life in Canada for decades. And Canadian leaders have done little to deter adversaries from operating here.

But how did such a situation arise? To date, Canadians have had diplomatic histories of the Canada-China relationship but an intelligence history wasn’t incorporated into them. That’s necessary if Canada hopes to have a realistic appraisal and understanding of the relationship.

... The China that Canada’s leaders saw and engaged with was one they invented in their own minds. They saw a potential market for wheat and potash. They saw a counterweight to the U.S. They convinced themselves that economic liberalization would inevitably lead to political freedom. They weren’t alone in this thinking, even the U.S. adopted it, though its defences against Beijing were more developed than Canada’s.

... But the truth was that the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) used western openness to build its economy and modernize its military. They used western universities to train their scientists. The West dreamed of partnership while China planned for dominance.

... The regime in Beijing operates on a concept of transnational sovereignty. It believes anyone of Chinese descent, regardless of their citizenship, owes their loyalty to China. By this logic, it doesn’t respect Canada’s borders as it hunts its critics in Canada. It harasses the Uyghur community, Tibetans, the Falun Gong, and Hong Kong pro-democracy activists and Taiwan independence supporters. It uses threats against family members back home to silence dissidents in places such as Vancouver and Toronto.

... This is transnational repression. It’s a foreign state enforcing its political will on Canadian soil ... The United Front Work Department is an arm of the Chinese Communist Party tasked with influencing foreign elites and controlling the PRC diaspora abroad. Its goal is to make foreign decision-makers sympathetic to Beijing’s interests, and it cultivates relationships with influential figures at all levels from school boards to Parliament. In return, it expects support for China’s interests and silence on its indiscretions. During the April 2024 Hogue inquiry into foreign interference, the Canadian Security Intelligence Service reported that it believed China interfered in the 2019 and 2021 federal elections.

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[-] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 10 points 3 days ago

Capitalism does not allow for "values".

[-] jaselle@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 days ago

We have socialism in Canada. The theory is that we permit capitalism to do what it excels at -- optimise for efficiency -- while enforcing our values through taxpayer money. That's the theory at least. In practice, we don't have capitalism in check at all, and our socialism, while better than our neighbour's, is insufficient for many.

[-] Scotty@scribe.disroot.org 2 points 3 days ago

What do you understand by capitalism? And which system would be better to allow values in your view?

[-] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 7 points 3 days ago

And which system would be better to allow values in your view?

one that doesn't require the exploitation of the many for the benefit of the few?

[-] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 days ago
  1. Starting a wildfire to get work as a fireman to earn money.
  2. Benevolent dictatorship.
[-] Darkcoffee@sh.itjust.works 17 points 3 days ago

I mean, we're now doing business with the United Arab Emirates, so...

[-] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 10 points 3 days ago

We have no real values, unfortunately. Supporting the US's demonic evil, with justification that the propaganda behind evil are good values, with no real democracy/independence of our own. Our values have always been to support our extortionist oligarch's supremacism, to call that freedom, and to propagandize the supremacism of our system over those that control against such theft and fraud.

It would be one thing if our sycophantic submission to demonism received a kick back. Such as a nice pat on the head, and some table scraps. Instead, we're getting kicked at.

[-] mrdown@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago

We never had any values

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 7 points 3 days ago

Canada is a literal apartheid state that's been committing a literal genocide against the native population well into the 90s. Canada still occupies unceded First Nations lands, has engaged in intentional elimination of culture and language of First Nations people. So, not sure what these 'values' you refer to are exactly.

[-] Glide@lemmy.ca 5 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

All North American land is unceded first nation land, and apartheid exclusively refers to a political system from South Africa, so those points don't really make a lot of sense. But, you know, I like using words for their actual meaning.

But I guess you're right, you can't betray your values by trading with an imperialist authoritarian nation like China if you have none to begin with. Or perhaps you're suggesting Canada shares the major values of China, what with being a capitalist nation parading itself as socially progressive being built on a history of genocide and all.

[-] davel@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 days ago

apartheid exclusively refers to a political system from South Africa

Ackchyually it’s only called apartheid if comes from the southern region of Africa; otherwise it’s a sparkling segregation.

you can’t betray your values by trading with an imperialist authoritarian nation like China

We know who the the imperialists are, and it ain’t the Qin dynasty.

“Forward defense ring,” not Orwellian at all.

[-] BillyTheKid2@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 days ago

Friendly reminder that China isn't a country, it's a region. PRC is a country. And follow-up reminder that India is absolutely not properly allied with the USA, and China and India's wars had nothing to do with the USA.

Free Tibet!

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 days ago

Friendly reminder that this fascist is promoting slavery and dictatorship.

https://historicly.substack.com/p/tibet-china-and-the-violent-reaction

your values on display right here

CIA Cables (1948): The Dalai Lama government was an absolute dictatorship and "one of the most corrupt and decadent to be found in the world today", 90% of Tibetans wanted Communist liberation, only the 10% of wealthy landowners would be pro-US

https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP82-00457R001800890009-0.pdf

Free Turtle Island!

[-] jaselle@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 days ago

I don't really agree with your proscriptive, semantic argument regarding apartheid, as the word is frequently used in reference to other states with racial or ethnic tensions. In some of those instances it may be an exaggeration of course, but that doesn't invalidate its use more broadly.

That said, I don't agree that Canada is a literal apartheid state. Perhaps the argument is that reserves are a form of apartheid, but that's rather naïve -- reserves are (semi-)sovereign FN land, and first nations people have all the same legal rights as other citizens and then some, including the right to live off-reserve.

[-] Glide@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Oh, I'm just fucking with Yog. He's a tankie shill whose only purpose here is to sow discontent with Western nations while talking up his favorite authoritarian states.

Genuinely, I don't see people speak of apartheid with reference to anywhere other than South Africa, and literally any searching of the word directs you back to South Africa, but I'm not so obtuse that I didn't understand his meaning. I just like to drag him for using pseudo-intellectual language in some attempt to elevate his incredibly misguided arguments.

Because, let's be straight, Canada has had a racist history and is still not doing great for its first nations peoples, but to call it a current apartheid state is to dismiss just how badly South African native people's were abused. And if Yog is going to try and dredge up a pointless, dishonest argument like that, I'm going to get him rambling aimlessly.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I really love how much I get under your skin fash. Seems like you're just fucking with yourself here while I live rent free in your head. Every time you reply you let me how upset you are and it warms my heart.

[-] Glide@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 days ago

No book this time? C'mon, make a fool of yourself a little more. I love watching your little delusional dance.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Aww little muffin wants attention. Go huff some more gas and come back with some better material loser. Dance for me little fash.

[-] Glide@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 days ago

Is literally just rewording whatever I said to you back at me all you have? Actually? As they say, imitation is the most sincere form of flattery...

Honestly, building strawmen and replying with an overly eloquent "no u" seems to be your entire repritoire, outside of posting Chinese state propaganda. Perhaps I'm not the one who should be rethinking their material.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 days ago
[-] Glide@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 days ago

He tells me to go back to reddit, and then devolves to using Reddit argument soyjacks. I'd ask you if you have any shame, but we both know you don't. Hypocrisy is all that's in your toolkit.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago

says the chud ceaselessly posting racist cartoons 🤣

[-] Glide@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago

And he still doesn't know what the word racist means...

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago

You certainly don't since you keep posting racists cartoons here. The fact that you don't even understand how unhinged this shit is really is the cherry on top.

[-] Glide@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago

There's really nothing racist about picking on a dictator, but it's nice to know you genuinely don't know what oppression looks like. I hope one day the whole world can be as ignorant of the concept as you are. It'd certainly be a much better place to live.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago

hurr durr Chinese man yellow, so funny, hahaha, I'm not a racist, he's DicTatOr, even though everybody who lives in China says they have a democracy. But I'm not a racist, I'm just white trash who knows better what political system China has than every Chinese person, because white people are a superior race and so much smarter. Hurrrrrr. That's literally you there fash.

[-] Glide@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago

Yikes, you are crashing out really hard right now. This must be very frustrating for you.

The only thing I've said in your entire mind break is that Xi Jiping is a dictator. Which, by defintion through control of every facet of the government and media of China, he is.

Sorry you seem to think white people are superior for some reason. No race is, but it must be hard to see the world through that lens all the time.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Yikes, you are crashing out really hard right now. This must be very frustrating for you.

Aww, look at the little muffin projecting. Adorable.

The only thing I’ve said in your entire mind break is that Xi Jiping is a dictator. Which, by defintion through control of every facet of the government and media of China, he is.

I genuinely can't tell if you're actually dumb enough to believe that. Honestly, based on the drivel you've been writing here, you probably are. You are a truly incredible specimen.

Sorry you seem to think white people are superior for some reason. No race is, but it must be hard to see the world through that lens all the time.

Try to put more effort into your trolling, this is embarrassing.

[-] Glide@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago

Watching you frustratedly update this in real time is very amusing.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

^ don't do drugs kids, or you'll end up like this

[-] Glide@lemmy.ca 1 points 22 hours ago

Feverishly replacing your one-liners with long-winded lies, you mean? It was nice to see how under your skin I am, but honestly man, let the hatred go. Maybe it'll be easier to engage with reality.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 1 points 22 hours ago

the only thing we found out here is that you are fevereshly watching for a reply like a total loser that you are 🤣

[-] jaselle@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 days ago

Yeah I agree about Canada. I have seen apartheid in reference to Israel Palestine quite frequently. But it's a very one-state-solutionist sense.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 6 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Your comment perfectly demonstrates how liberal pedantry functions to obscure material reality. Your semantic argument about apartheid is superficially appealing but fundamentally ahistorical. Apartheid is not some unique cultural product of South Africa. It is a defined crime under international law, specifically the 1973 International Convention and the Rome Statute, which characterize it as inhuman acts committed to establish and maintain racial domination. To claim the term applies only to South Africa is as intellectually bankrupt as claiming genocide only describes the Holocaust.

The material conditions in Canada and the United States meet the legal definition precisely. First, the Indian Act creates a separate legal status for Indigenous people based on racial classification, directly mirroring South Africa's Population Registration Act. Second, First Nations are confined to impoverished reserves comprising a fraction of the territory, a deliberate policy of segregation and underdevelopment identical to the Bantustan system. Third, Indigenous peoples continue to be systematically dispossessed of their land and resources without consent, as corporations and the state extract wealth for settler benefit. Fourth, the legacy of forced assimilation through residential schools and the ongoing removal of Indigenous children into state care constitutes cultural genocide. This is not ancient history. It is the active structure of the settler state.

Your attempted deflection regarding China only reinforces your bad faith. While Canada performs social progress, it presides over the ongoing genocide of Indigenous peoples. China, in contrast, has achieved unprecedented poverty alleviation and extends substantive equality to its ethnic minorities. Your moralizing about authoritarianism is the tired rhetoric of a declining empire, a desperate attempt to project its own inherent violence onto others. The real failure of values lies in defending a settler state built on and sustained by apartheid. Your narrow definition of the term is not scholarly rigor. It is an active act of colonial erasure.

[-] jaselle@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 days ago

I think the analogy would not be to say genocide refers to only the holocaust, but rather that "holocaust" refers to only the holocaust. Which I agree with, on the grounds that I rarely see people use the term "holocaust" generically, and when they do I assume it's the same mistake as when people call all consoles "nintendos," or when people think all Roman emperors are "Caesars."

That said, apartheid is a generic term IMO.

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