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[-] SARGE@startrek.website 120 points 5 days ago

As someone who tries to eat less meat in general because climate change and cows are basically giant grass eating slightly smellier dogs, I cannot take anyone who unironically uses "carnist" and "bloodmouth" seriously from that point on.

The more names you use to describe "person who eats meat" that you think are insulting and derogatory, the more people roll their eyes and move on with their planned meal.

[-] Phil_in_here@lemmy.ca 47 points 5 days ago

Also when they add extraneous hyperbole to invalidate themselves.

No, there's nothing sweet or savory about rotting meat, but it isn't rotting, now is it?People that eat meat do not eat rotting carcasses (RFK aside) the same way vegans don't eat rotten vegetables.

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[-] falseWhite@lemmy.world 22 points 4 days ago

Really ridiculous how vegans think this will put off any meat eaters from eating meat.

Actually it's having the opposite effect, it just infuriates people and makes them hungry.

I myself am hungry for a chicken now!

[-] canofcam@lemmy.world 11 points 4 days ago

if you are infuriated by somebody pointing out the cruelties of your actions then i think that is a reflection of you, not them.

[-] falseWhite@lemmy.world 14 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Let's see how you like being called names:

You skinny shitmouth, go eat some cabbage grown in cow shit.

[-] canofcam@lemmy.world 8 points 4 days ago

Weird that this didn't affect me or want to change my diet at all.

[-] remon@ani.social 17 points 4 days ago

Congratulations ... you got the point of the first comment.

[-] canofcam@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I think YOU are missing the point of the first comment and MY point.

They said that they are infuriated by people name-calling them, somebody said "see how you like it" and... I wasn't infuriated.

Insane that anti-vegan people (who have generally fallen for right-wing propaganda) are so bandwagony that you are getting upvoted for being so very incorrect.

[-] Atomic@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 days ago

No. They're not. They made an example to set you up, and you walked right into it. Making their point for them.

Talking shit about someone's diet isn't going to make them change their diet.

The only insane part is that you view everyone that isn't a vegan as "anti-vegan". Or that everyone that disagrees with you is "anti-vegan"

I don't think the cashier at my local grocery store is "anti-boardgames" just because they feel annoyed when someone tries to pay with monopoly money.

[-] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 4 points 3 days ago

I don’t think the cashier at my local grocery store is “anti-boardgames” just because they feel annoyed when someone tries to pay with monopoly money.

While I agree that there is a difference between non-vegan and anti-vegan, this is a very strained analogy.

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[-] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 8 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

So what combination of words should vegans be using to convince meateaters to stop consuming meat?

I see a lot of people telling vegans what not to say, but not a lot about what they should be saying to make their case.

What would you find to be a convincing argument?

[-] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago

You don't. If you treat being vegan like a religion where you feel the need to convert everyone else then you're in a cult. A normal person would just present their case, make their arguments, and live their life based on their principles... That's it. If someone is convinced that you're correct then they'll adopt your values on their own, and if they don't you just have to accept their choice and move on.

[-] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

By your definition and description, capitalism itself is a cult. Advertisers spend a whole lotta time and effort trying to convince people to buy shit that they don't really need. The tech sector trying to cram AI down everyone's throat certainly must qualify.

I would also note that the animal ag industry exhibits this cultist behavior in trying to convince people that the atrocities it commits are OK. And trying to convince people to consume more meat than what is medically beneficial. To the point that they'll utilize state violence to shut down dissenters.

Society is full of cults.

[-] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 3 days ago

unbiased, true statements. it may not be convincing, but falsehood and hyperbole isn't a good way to convince anyone of anything.

[-] starelfsc2@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 days ago

I get downvoted a lot by .worlders even for unbiased true statements, but I still think it's the most effective for convincing debatebros. Irl the most effective is just having good meals that happen to be vegan, so people around you see it's really not that hard and you can still eat good food.

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[-] prole 6 points 3 days ago

Maybe just stop trying to push your personal beliefs on everyone else?

[-] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 4 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

So I should never try to persuade anyone of anything?

How can one change society if we aren't allowed to challenge people's beliefs? I'm glad that people have confronted others on the various inequalities and injustices in society in order to effect change, rather than just going "welp, that's just how things are!"

[-] falseWhite@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

You could start by talking like a civilized person without insults and maybe use facts, research, philosophy, etc. to explain your position why eating meat is bad and have a civilized debate.

[-] MassiveSquid@lemmy.ca 6 points 3 days ago

This isn’t going to be popular but meat eaters need to put their ego aside and hear what those who speak out against animal torture are trying to tell them. Factory farmed meat is anything but civilized.

[-] EchoCT@lemmy.ml 8 points 3 days ago

"need to put their ego aside" - pot, kettle. The more compelling arguments I have seen have to do with the amounts consumed being both unhealthy and not economic.

Self righteous egotistical fools just make me disregard their position.

[-] MassiveSquid@lemmy.ca 4 points 3 days ago

My feelings aren’t hurt. Over the past 30 years I’d heard it all. It’s time for you to understand that all the rape, torture, and death are unnecessary. Call me whatever name you want, I really don’t care.

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[-] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 3 points 3 days ago

my most successful tactic was just to talk about my own decisions as they relate to reducing my contributions to an overall system of suffering that i as a human also suffer under. applying no pressure other than peer pressure

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[-] MassiveSquid@lemmy.ca 6 points 3 days ago

It looks like my techniques work at least sometimes because I’ve helped many people go vegetarian and a couple go vegan.

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[-] greedytacothief@lemmy.dbzer0.com 41 points 4 days ago

I think it's totally natural for humans to eat meat. But also definitely more moral to abstain from eating it.

[-] badcommandorfilename@lemmy.world 23 points 4 days ago

If the situation were reversed, chickens would eat us without a second thought.

[-] hakunawazo@lemmy.world 9 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Good people of Cyrodiil. Welcome to the arena...

[-] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 11 points 4 days ago

I've seen a rooster eat a chick before, it was horrifying.

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[-] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 5 points 3 days ago

Meat consumption itself might be natural, but nothing about modern animal agriculture is.

We divorced from nature quite a while ago, and in some very significant ways.

[-] MrSmith@lemmy.world 8 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

The process of eating meat? Sure.
The way people in the modern world obtain meat? Nothing natural about that.

If I was made to hunt my game, or kill the animal I raised, I'd never eat meat.

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[-] dumbass@piefed.social 54 points 5 days ago

Then we use the liquid remains of their children to coat them in crumbs.

[-] ms_lane@lemmy.world 35 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

...of Crushed plants, that we infested with LIVING FUNGUS, BURNED and them CRUSHED THEM AGAIN!

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[-] OhStopYellingAtMe@lemmy.world 12 points 4 days ago

“Bloodmouth carnist food?” What an idiot.

[-] Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca 23 points 4 days ago

I am perfectly fine with the knowledge that my stomach is a graveyard.

[-] nickiwest@lemmy.world 14 points 4 days ago

At most, my stomach is a funeral home.

If you eat meat and it remains permanently in your body, please seek medical attention.

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[-] Jimmycrackcrack@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 days ago

I mean it objectively is going to be savoury and presumably the addition of the word "sweet" on the packaging means they've probably put something sweet on it making it as a point of fact, also sweet. Likewise, "rotting" is basically inaccurate unless you opt for a meaning of the term that basically encompasses all food. Seems correct enough to say it's a "carcus" I guess.

It's an ultimately pretty stupid approach to vociferously decry meat on the grounds of inherent disgustingness because it is self evident that people like it and are biologically inclined to eat it. There's entirely better reasons to criticise the choice to do so, but this is such a waste of time.

[-] YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today 19 points 5 days ago

Dissolve in the acids inside of meee*

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[-] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 5 days ago

I suddenly want a chicken sandwich

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