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[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 211 points 1 week ago

Minute 1:30, it calls them a "fascist dictatorship"....

Look, I'm not going to apologize for Iran in any manner. But calling them fascist isn't, its not quite right. Fascism is a form of political identity. It has a specific meaning. The regime in Iran might be terrible, but its not fascist, per se..

Also the comments on this video are wild.

This video is hard to suffer through. I'd love to hear a deep dive, but I can't stomach this.

[-] West_of_West@piefed.social 131 points 1 week ago

I've never heard of Iran being called fascist. It is a militant theocracy.

[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 85 points 1 week ago

I've only ever heard it called fascist by people at both a) have no idea what iran is or b) have no idea what a fascist is.

[-] phdepressed@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 week ago

"a populist political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual, that is associated with a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, and that is characterized by severe economic and social regimentation and by forcible suppression of opposition"- merriam webster.

Autocratic-check Dictatorship-check Economic and social regimentation-check Suppression of opposition-check The only thing missing is nation/race above the individual and arguably their extremist theism could be considered sufficient for this as well.

[-] mech@feddit.org 71 points 1 week ago

Your "checks" apply to every dictatorship.
There is still a difference between fascism and theocracy. Words have meanings.

[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago

Words have meanings.

The world in 2025:

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[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 10 points 1 week ago

"a populist political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual, that is associated with a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, and that is characterized by severe economic and social regimentation and by forcible suppression of opposition"- merriam webster.

Well Merriam Webster is wrong. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism#Definitions. Fascism is a pretty complicated class of ideologies, but a characteristic attribute of fascism is always seeking enemies internal and external and "punishing" them and that is simply not present in Iran.

[-] Urist@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 week ago

fascism is always seeking enemies internal and external and "punishing" them

  1. Morality police definitely not hurting anyone. /s
  2. Iran is not in opposition to western imperialism at all, actually, they are surrounded by friends. /s

That being said, I don't think I would characterize Iran as fascist.

If you really want to define fascism, you need to understand how it appears:

Fascism is a counter-revolutionary reactionary movement led by finance capital and a form of dictatorship of the bourgeoisie which emerged during periods of economic crisis in imperialist countries. In other words, fascism is capitalism in decay.

Thus many of its characteristics becomes an aesthetic dependant on the specific material conditions and social superstructure of its origins.

[-] FishFace@piefed.social 10 points 1 week ago

Uh, doesn't Iran's government obsess over Israel and the USA, and people at home who don't follow Sharia?

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 12 points 1 week ago

Iran doesn't "obsess" about the US and Israel; they're geopolitical rivals with the US and Israel. This is like saying Russia or China obsess about the West. As for Sharia, I don't know shit about the Iranian justice system, but theocracy does not equal fascism. These are two completely different things.

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[-] CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world 24 points 1 week ago

How much of it did you watch? I watched all of it and thought it was very informative, despite a few errors. I don't think they spent too much time on WHY the government is inept, just HOW inept it is. They shit on the current government and the Shah before them so I don't see them playing favorites.

Iran is pretty fascist-adjacent so it's an easy mistake to make. They hit almost all the notes to play that song.

[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I just finished with it and its terrible in this regard. There is no disambiguation between "just the facts" and the author/ narrators political opinions and identity. Not to say those opinions are wrong or invalid but its incredibly important to separate them and to clearly identify which is which, which even the most amateur journalist understands.

Its the framing that's the problem, and its often what a framing leaves out that ends up being more telling. You might re-watch it with a lens for what is missing rather than what is said, and honestly, its not my job to make the gaps in your political education apparent. Like, if you come away from this video with its explanation of "why" things in Iran are the way that they are, you'll come away wildly miseducated.

Just because something agrees with your bias, this doesn't make it correct.

[-] chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 week ago

It's definitely glossing over some stuff, like when it talks about the unwillingness of neighbors to trade with them and chalking it up to "burned bridges", I imagine the aggressive US sanctions they've been under played a big role there.

[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago

Yeah they're a totalitarian theocracy

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[-] kindred@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 1 week ago

Asianometry covered it two years ago.

Not as "fresh", but he's got a pretty good reputation for deep dives and puts sources in the video.

[-] biofaust@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

As an Italian, I can tell you that I call theocratic regimes whose power is based on individual control and punishment at scale, fascist regimes.

I know that totalitarian or, in some other cases, authoritarian would be more appropriate, but at least in my culture fascism has been the first and the archetype of all totalitarianisms.

Not letting Iran enjoy the deserved hate it derives from an even longer history of antifascism would be too big a discount.

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[-] rimu@piefed.social 119 points 1 week ago

Same thing is happening in Iraq.

After all the fighting, suffering and genocide in the region, it'll all be for nothing once climate change makes it uninhabitable.

[-] Ugurcan@lemmy.world 52 points 1 week ago

It was the oil wells and not the people who’s been “liberated” all along.

[-] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 21 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

If there had been less spent on war they could have built some infrastructure to help with the situation.

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[-] anamethatisnt@sopuli.xyz 78 points 1 week ago
[-] JohnnyEnzyme@piefed.social 48 points 1 week ago

Thanks.

Iranian law stipulates that 85 percent of domestic food be produced locally, Morad Kaviani, professor of geography and hydropolitics at Iran’s Kharazmi University, told state television last week.

However, he added, Iran does not have the water and soil capacities, and nearly 30 percent of agricultural produce is wasted due to a lack of infrastructure, outdated irrigation practices and misguided crop selection.

Sounds like one of the biggest root disasters, eh?

So, this situation may only slightly be related to AGCC, but it does seem ominous in painting a certain picture of the future. I wonder if and when Russia and China step in, here...

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[-] bitwolf@sh.itjust.works 43 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

My first grade teacher swore WW3 would be over clean water.

Hes been proven more and more right as time goes on.

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[-] itkovian@lemmy.world 34 points 1 week ago
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[-] TheEighthDoctor@lemmy.zip 25 points 1 week ago

Maybe that nuke money should have gone into solving this problem

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[-] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago

Coming soon to the USA, but under the Christo-Fascist fuck nuts.

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[-] hanrahan@slrpnk.net 11 points 1 week ago
[-] Asfalttikyntaja@sopuli.xyz 9 points 1 week ago

But they do have plenty of oil, right?

[-] ivanafterall@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago

Yeah, but it's not as healthy to drink.

[-] thr0w4w4y2@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 week ago

I guarantee a pint of crude oil contains all the calories you need for the rest of your life.

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