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[-] DaddleDew@lemmy.world 49 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

They've been allowed to game the system to hoard way more wealth than any single person should have been able to. They were supposed to pay their employees more, charge less to their customers or if all fails pay more taxes. But they didn't do any of that.

If this was a video game that would be called an "exploit that breaks the gameplay experience for everyone else" and it would have been solved in a patch. But to remain in the same analogy, they are buddies with the game developers so they're allowed to do anything they want. The only difference is that everyone in the country is forced to play this broken game as it is.

[-] P00ptart@lemmy.world 30 points 3 weeks ago

I've played fallout for more than 2 decades. How the fuck are we diving face first into every sci-fi dystopia at the same time? Like, there's hints of star wars, dune, fallout, 1984, the outer worlds, hunger games, Idiocracy etc. I'm hoping cyberpunk 2077 shows up and gives a sliver of a chance.

[-] Soup@lemmy.world 29 points 3 weeks ago

Because those things were based on the real world and we are very bad at learning from the ever-growing list of mistakes we can’t stop making.

Cyberpunk 2077 is not a good world and does not have a good ending. That world is a horrid, capitalist dystopia. Maybe you should watch Edgerunners if you still can’t figure it out from the game.

[-] P00ptart@lemmy.world 15 points 3 weeks ago

The point was that as bad as cyberpunk's future is, I'm fairly certain ours will be worse in 52 years. At least in their timeline there's a resistance.

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[-] zaki_ft@lemmings.world 11 points 3 weeks ago

The main reason is because people are stupid and get taken advantage of accordingly.

Every time you saw a moron say "they're a business and they need to make money!" you saw someone lowering their standards to make a rich person richer.

[-] vas@lemmy.ml 29 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Musk does not do a space race. Not on his money, at least.

Instead, he does it on US taxpayer money, with billion-dollar contracts to get people to Mars by 2025 and other timelines like that. The government employee who approved one of the largest contracts to SpaceX quickly quit working for the government and now works... at SpaceX.

So you tell me, is Elon in a space race, or are the US taxpayers in a race to fund the billionaire?

[-] booly@sh.itjust.works 8 points 3 weeks ago

Honestly, the space race part of it isn't concerning to me at all. The fact that it's between billionaire-backed companies is several policy failures, though.

NASA has traditionally relied heavily on defense/space contractors. The space shuttle was built by Rockwell International (which was eventually acquired by Boeing).

The Saturn V rocket that took people to the moon was manufactured by Boeing, Douglas (which became part of McDonnell Douglas, which was acquired by Boeing), and North American (which got acquired by Rockwell, which was acquired by Boeing).

But through consolidation in the American aerospace industry, the bloated behemoth that is modern Boeing has serious issues holding it back. And so the rise of new competition against Boeing is generally a good thing!

Except the only companies that were started up to compete with Boeing were funded largely as ego projects by billionaires who made so much money in other fields that they have excess billions to throw around.

NASA's new approach to contracting is fine, too: basically promising prizes to companies that hit milestones, which put the risk (and potential reward) on the private companies. Then, once SpaceX did demonstrate feasibility, NASA switched to fixed price contracts for a lot of the programs and did save a ton of money compared to previous cost-plus contract pricing. It's unclear whether other space companies can deliver services at prices competitive with SpaceX, but their attempts at least force SpaceX to bid lower prices.

Ideally, we would've retained a competitive aerospace industry in the past few decades, and a bunch of companies would be competing with each other to continue delivering space services to NASA and other space agencies (and private sector customers that might want satellite stuff). And these companies would be big corporate entities where the major shareholders aren't exactly household names (like Boeing today).

The way Bezos and Musk became billionaires would be a problem even if they didn't try to go to space. The way they're trying to go to space doesn't really move the needle much, in my opinion.

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[-] bagsy@lemmy.world 23 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

No one should have enough money to purchase entire branches of government. Musk could give every member of congress 10 million and still be a billionarie many times over. That kind of wealth is not compatible with democracy.

[-] fonix232@fedia.io 21 points 3 weeks ago

These assholes get taxed 1-2% on their total wealth increases per year - and even that gets offset with their loopholes - meanwhile the average people pay anywhere between 30-50% of just their income (and that doesn't account for other taxes like VAT, property, vehicle and road taxes, and so on).

[-] Soup@lemmy.world 13 points 3 weeks ago

And not only that, but if you taxed them at 99% they’d still have silly amounts of money and ungodly financial security while even 20% off a poor person being paid by a less rich local business is just hurting the both of them. Taxes are a good thing but like you say they are horrendously unbalanced.

[-] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 18 points 3 weeks ago

Seize their assets, fund NASA.

That's how you actually make America great.

[-] minkymunkey_7_7@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago

National space programs suck. We need a united international space push. Something overseen by... Let's call it the Union Aerospace Corporation. When earth science and tech is combined who knows what they can do on distant research bases set up in places like Mars. Maybe even open portals to transfer matter and energy across vast distances.

[-] edgemaster72@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

You would think more people on Lemmy would recognize a Doom reference. I've never played any Doom game but that was enough for me to go "That's Doom right?" and confirm with a quick search

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[-] Formfiller@lemmy.world 17 points 3 weeks ago

90% should be the minimum after 1 million a year

[-] foggianism@lemmy.world 13 points 3 weeks ago

I'd go for 99% after 5 bil

[-] tfm@europe.pub 5 points 3 weeks ago

Billionaires shouldn't exist at all

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[-] senorseco@lemmy.today 16 points 3 weeks ago

It's not a policy failure at all. It's a systemic feature. Capitalism is dog eat dog until only one dog remains. If you want to fix it you need a new economic system.

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[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 15 points 3 weeks ago

It's a clear sign the government isn't, itself, spending enough on spaceflight and associated R&D.

Turning our next generation of economic and military supremacy over to the dipshit horn dogs that tanked retail sales and fucked up the post office seems like a huge mistake.

[-] Entertainmeonly 5 points 3 weeks ago

Both can be true

[-] NatakuNox@lemmy.world 14 points 3 weeks ago

I say we put them all in a rocket and shoot them into space...

That's it. Problem solved.

[-] GuyLivingHere@lemmy.ca 7 points 3 weeks ago
[-] faintwhenfree@lemmus.org 8 points 3 weeks ago

Anchor and chains in 20m waters is much cheaper.

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[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 5 points 3 weeks ago

Yeah... no. First other, no less greedy people will inherit their wealth, second capitalism guarantees the concentration of wealth to absurd degrees. "Kill all billionaires" is surprisingly not a good solution to the problem of billionaires.

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[-] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 14 points 3 weeks ago

I think we just need to send them into space... Forcibly. Permanently.

[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 4 points 3 weeks ago

That's what they want. We can't eat the rich if we can't reach the rich.

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[-] chosensilence@pawb.social 13 points 3 weeks ago

it isn't. it is an intended best case scenario for those invested. capitalism rewards trickery and thievery. excess wealth is part of its system dependent on class hierarchies. it was millionaires before billionaires and now we're about to have our first trillionaire. for fucks sake.

[-] masterspace@lemmy.ca 13 points 2 weeks ago

The fact that there are billionaires is the sign that they're not being taxed enough.

Massive infrastructure / R&D projects like a space race is actually one of the more productive ways that billionaires could use their money.

[-] Formfiller@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago
[-] lugal@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 3 weeks ago

I don't even know who the first one is and I'm kind of afraid of finding out

[-] Entertainmeonly 8 points 3 weeks ago

Not that it really matters but he's been knighted.

[-] njm1314@lemmy.world 14 points 3 weeks ago

She should have swung that sword a lot harder

[-] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 8 points 3 weeks ago

If you've got money to waste on doing the same space shots that they've been doing for the last 65 years, just with newer technology, all while people in America are hungry, and suffering from lack of health care, then we should take away everything they own, and redistribute it to the people. We can even name each distribution after the benefactor. First we'll have the Musk distribution, then the Bezos, distribution, then the Ellison distribution, etc.

And their companies, primarily created and made profitable by government grants and tax breaks, belong to the American people, and they should be confiscated, and operated for the profit benefit of the American people. To make it fair, the billionaire, and his descendents, will always have an entry level job available, at entry level wages, but they will be treated like any other employees, and can be fired without rehiring privileges. They aren't entitled to any special treatment, other than a guaranteed job. After that, they have to behave themselves.

[-] MiddleAgesModem@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago

$999,999,999 is just fine though!

Stop focusing on an arbitrary figure and start focusing on a real progressive income tax with no loopholes or workarounds.

[-] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago

"Billionaire" is a sound bite to focus attention. Publicizing "An improved progressive taxation rate" isn't as marketable.

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[-] Avicenna@programming.dev 6 points 3 weeks ago

nor that they give a rat's ass about sustainability, humanity, earth etc like some of them like Elon claims

[-] Mr_Dr_Oink@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago

If there was a space race then you can guarantee that elon would want it out of the country.

[-] Nomad@infosec.pub 4 points 3 weeks ago

I'm absolutely pro taxing billionaires. But this has been like that forever and they fill an ingesting financing nieche with their dick measuring contest of a space race. Somebody financed all the expeditions to the north pole for example. They finance exploration and science ands engineering that the public is not willing to, but personally in glad somebody does. Also industry brings arguably far less politics and other inefficiencies with it that public funding does. Look at how the NASA budget is cut every few years and how their funding is mostly squandered overfeeding some States industry so their senators get to keep their constituency happy. I'm not saying I particularly love that there are people getting richer by the second while doing fuck all, but I love that they have a hobby that arguably benefits humanity long term.

[-] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 12 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Damn, get off that billionaire dick and explain how that helps humanity when we are dealing with fascism, starving children and climate change. These fuckers aren't financing shit. Elon gets government contracts. Like how wrong can you be?

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