Can we please leave TikTok face on TikTok? I come here specifically to escape the brain rot.
boy are you in the wrong place
I’m talking about a specific level of brain rot mind you, I can accept the lower level that is typical of Lemmy meme communities but not quite corporate social network levels.
Being a parent is hard af
I understand but also not my problem? If you are too tired to deal with your children maybe keep them at home. If you are going to bring a child to a public place you got to be prepare and willing to educate them. Your children are special bundles of joy for You, and you only. People are not ok in having to deal with an unhinged savage child because parenting is hard. People take the "it takes a village" wrong. Not everyone you see is on your village.
Then, politely, fuck off.
Children are a part of the society that you live in, whether you liked it or not. I don't know who hurt you, but you were also a child once. You pooped your diapers, you cried, you misbehaved. How your parents have treated you when you did these things has a very direct effect on how you behave and think right now. My guess is they were shitty, it would explain your irrational anger and hatred towards kids.
Misbehaving in public is a necessary step to learning how to behave in the first place. It's a learning by doing thing. You won't get your child prepared to act kind, nice, and considerate with other people if you don't let them meet other people. You cannot teach your kid how to behave on the outside at home. How is that not obvious to you? It is inconvenient, it is annoying, it is hard, and it has to be done so that we don't have underdeveloped, immature, dysregulated asshole adults a generation's time from now.
Parents are always obligated to watch for their kids and show them how to behave. This doesn't mean they can, or should, control their every move, word, reaction, emotion, or behavior. If a 3 year old cries and it is uncomfortable for you, that's your problem. It is not the child's or the parent's duty to shut them up with a gag ball ffs. It is their duty to help them resolve and guide them through their overwhelming emotions. So that they will grow up to be emotionally healthy adults.
Children have an innate need to play. They learn via playing. They learn via trying things out and touching them. They learn to walk and run by walking and running - and falling and failing. They also learn about the world from the world's reaction. Being met with disdain for solely existing and breathing won't help them to grow up to be adults with a lot of self worth.
You don't get to decide who is part of the society and village you live in. You don't get to cherry pick your neighbors.
You don't want kids in your village go live in a cave.
That's a lot of anger you're spitting just because someone doesn't want to hear screaming children. My siblings and I were never allowed to scream in public.
That person really feels entitled to inflict their children's bad behavior on everyone else around them.
Yes, I have a lot of anger for people who meet the most vulnerable parts of our society with hostility. I have an immense anger for people who don't think these vulnerable people in the making have a place in society.
Congratulations on not being allowed to scream in public, ever. Did you good. Your parents had shitty standards and now you want to enforce these on other children so that they will also grow up and hate children. Great idea.
What you don't understand (or pretend not to) is that you're the one being judged, not the kids. It seems obvious from this chain that your kids are out of control and you get judged for it. I can think of no other reason you'd act this way.
I think the point of contention is that the user you debate is under the (right) assumption that when a child cries in public, this is just a small snapshot out of all the time the parents took them to any public place. A child crying is not a bug, it's an inherent feature. They sometimes just do that, they don't even know themselves, so it's not the parents fault that their mini-human isn't behaving like a fucking Gucci bag. Everything volvoxvsmarla said is true, children learn through trial an error and yes, you need to sometimes take the brunt of this process, I'm sorry little one. When children don't learn how to behave in (for example) supermarkets because you banned them, then you get teenagers who didn't learn to behave. You can't pass the problem on forever. I'm a teacher and it really fucking shows when kids never learned how to exist in a public place.
BTW., this is not an excuse for parents who evidently don't give a fuck or even worse, motivate their children to be brats so they entertain themselves. Scum of the earth. But it's perfectly possible for parents to try their hardest and still fail sometimes.
I can tell you a specific scenario I take issue with. At the grocery store the other day, a child screamed at the top of its lungs all over the store. The parent never seemed to notice or care, but people everywhere were looking at each other, all clearly bothered. I'm sorry but that's not my problem, that's their shit to work out and they clearly don't give a shit about others. Shitty parenting, 100% worthy of judgement.
We don't have to assume that everyone bothered by kids at all hates kids or has no tolerance for their annoyances. OP did that, and took out what seems obvious to me as parental stress on users ITT. So I don't really have much capacity left to empathize with them in particular.
You think the judgment is being leveled at the KIDS? No, no, no… nobody’s judging kids for acting out. They’re kids.
Kids aren’t the problem. Bad parents are the problem.
Your children are special bundles of joy for You, and you only.
Those snotrags are in charge of funding our retirements excuse me!
They're mad because you're right and they have to deal with screaming brats all day because they chose to and you didn't.
Doesn't help that people judge 2 year old parents when their child is crying. Not like they could hold a debate with someone who can not comprehend the concept of self control.
2 year olds should really not be parents.
No, but you can remove them from the venue if it doesn't stop crying, unless you're on a plane.
How do you think they're going to learn to behave in public if they're just cooped up 24/7? People being annoying and noisy is just a part of existing as a human being. We shouldn't stunt the growth of entire fucking generations just because they make you uncomfortable.
How do you think they're going to learn to behave in public if they're just cooped up 24/7?
Thats not w what my comment said at all. Why are you arguing in bad faith?
Removing from the venue changes the setting and makes it easier to talk to the child about what they were doing, and even more likely address whatever the child had going on. Removing them from the setting temporarily makes parenting easier and benefits everyone else.
Source: am parent and was a child at one point
People also don't get how different children are and how much neuro diversity is out there. Comments below say to remove the child from the venue or keep them at home. It's been years and I've hardly left the house for social enjoyment. My kid finally gets excited about going to the cinema, so we go,and he ends up having difficulty regulating himself there......I guess I better scoop him up and fuck off back to the cave we crawled out of.
Managing children is difficult, and if a child is dedicated to their course of action, then you can't win. You can never win a battle of wills against a young child. A child has infinite energy, infinite time and a single minded focus. They've got nowhere else to be nothing better to do.
As one of those neurodivergent kids, my mom explicitly laid all the blame on me whenever she felt embarrassed in public. I was removed from activities countless times without any clear understanding of why - all I knew was I wasn't allowed to do fun things. There was no accommodation for sensory issues, no space provided for me to self-regulate, no understanding that I was having a difficult time and needed support - just labels thrown at me for "being difficult", as if by merely existing, I was a problem.
Every child deserves to participate in enriching activities regardless of their neurotype. By removing neurodiverse kids (and not returning after they calm down) or outright keeping them away from such events, they may internalize the idea that who they are is not acceptable. Parents, there are resources available today that didn't exist in the 90s. There is no reason to raise your neurodiverse kid the way we used to be raised. If you don't know what to do with your kid and you haven't already done so, get help. Please.
There is essentially universal agreement in the field of child psychology that "beating" your child is the wrong approach.
I've yet to meet a parent that completely ignores their child in a public venue. In many cultures children are considered to be a part of society / community and so they are given some autonomy to discover the world with their peers. Hyper individualistic Western society is really the odd one out here and Western cultures are the only ones where I've seen this take expressed openly. Conclude from that what you will.
A few weeks ago my wife and I were getting breakfast at a local bakery. Inside, a dad had decided that it did not matter that his small child was running around, screaming at the top of his lungs. The little gremlin started trying to steal pastries off other people's tables and dad stiff didn't do anything until the staff announced loudly that all unattended children would be reported to CPS.
That kid didn't need a beating, but that dad sure did.
Agreed, that's unacceptable.
My mom had 4 kids. 3 of us were well behaved in public and she said "I would look at those parents with screaming kids in the store and think I am doing something right, my kids don't do that. So God gave me Janet. I was so judgemental, then I got one who screamed in the store."
I swear, Americans are obsessed with the idea that kids need a beating once in a while. That would get you arrested where I am from.
I think people are jumping to the beating part but ignoring the rest. The thought process usually goes like "wow, my parents would've spanked me for doing that.. but they're not doing anything!"
It's not about the beating. It's about the kid being allowed to do whatever without any action from the parent. Because that's usually how it goes when a kid is being a nuisance.
I need to move there. We have never spanked our kids and they behave no worse than any other kids, and better than many.
Louis C.K. may be a bit of a creep, but one thing he said really resonates with me. Children are the only people we're legally allowed to hit (in the U.S.). They are some of our most vulnerable people and we hit them. They rely on us to protect them, and we hit them. Fuck us for hitting our tiny, vulnerable babies. My wife wasn't totally opposed to spanking before we had kids, but then we had kids and she can't imagine hitting them. She's a wonderful human.
I don't mind rambunctious children, as long as they aren't hurting anyone, doing ear piercing screaming, or doing something that spreads disease. (Like putting their hands directly into ice cream topping trays instead of using the fucking scoop)
Frequently I see parents be way overly harsh with their kids where I'm at like the parent is terrified of being seen as a bad/lazy parent so they take it out on their kid by way over reacting to a kid doing something disruptive but ultimately pretty harmless.
There are occasional situations where the parent just dumbly stands there doing nothing to stop their kid doing something they really shouldn't (like that Ice Cream Topping example... which is a thing I recently witnessed). But that's less common than the former. Might be because I live in a rural conservative hellhole where kids are seen as their parent's property.
My 11-month old is an absolute saint when we're out and about, then a horrifying tornado of destruction when he's at home. I suspect a lot of it is just boredom, but its hard to tell because... 11-mo olds aren't great at verbalizing their discontent.
As he gets older and he starts losing that starstruck look of wonderment at the mall or a new restaurant or wherever, I suspect he'll be harder to control. But he's also incredibly clever, athletic, and curious. I don't want to discourage any of this just to make parenting a bit easier in the short term.
Can't fucking imagine actually hitting him. I know what that did to me after the rare few times my mom did it. I still can't bring myself to forgive her 30 years later. And there's no way I want my son thinking of me that way.
Lots of people have procreated that really shouldn't have, unfortunately.
So we are bashing children now are we?
Always were 👨🚀🔫👨🚀 kids are idiots and do dumb shit, there's no debate
I agree, that a meme is not the best option, because it's a nuanced thing, but no, you got it wrong or at least you found the worst kind of interpretation for this:
As a child I was heavily beaten for a lot of things like (loud) crying, insisting on stuff or like not agreeing with my father in general. So when I'm out today and I see a child behaving like this (which is, occasionally, typical child behavior and important for their development) I subconsciously already expect something painful to happen. So this is the first negative feeling this triggers in me.
Then the other learned behavior chimes in: anger. How you react to a situation like that is often behavior you learned from your parents. So my father showed me that in this kind of situation it's not only justified but normal to get angry. So my first subconscious reaction is anger, I can't help it.
Then the consciousness and therapy kicks in. I remember it's a child and it needs to be allowed to process things, even this way, no matter if they make me uncomfortable (within boundaries obvs). No one's going to get hurt now and it's not that bad.
The image with the text made me laugh a bit because I think it pretty well depicts the emotional rollercoaster and the energy drain. I still love my niblings to bits and I'm happy, they don't have to feel the same as me now, when they are older.
Gen X, I presume?
Out of curiosity do you mean the age of the person who posted, the person in the image, or something else? I am a Gen X and my children look about the age of the person in the screenshot.
More the messaging, than the person in the picture...because yeah, they look too young to be Gen X.
I'm Gen X too, and I'm pretty sure we were the last generation where it was considered "normal" to get beaten in public for behavioral reasons.
All I want is enough differentiated "adult only" spaces. I won't say anyone how to raise their kids, just let me be in a space where that parenting is not happening.
Me watching my only heir reenact Bruegel's Seven Vices: 🤬 (they heed me not)
Me watching the unheeded parents of another demonic recreant: 😌
When I was a kid, my parents used to leave me at home with my brother and he would be abusive af. He tied me up ones with zipties. One time, I felt so scared of my brother, I had to run away from home. I'm so used to all this, every time I hear my mother's voice, I feel terrified, its like PTSD-inducing.
Then my mother gets [suprisedpikachuface.jpg] when I have depression. What did you expect, bitch, you caused this.
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