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submitted 2 months ago by MicroWave@lemmy.world to c/politics@lemmy.world

Republicans and Democrats, including Reps. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Nancy Mace, are canceling events and taking other security precautions.

The assassination of conservative activist Charlie Kirk is sending shock waves through Capitol Hill, with lawmakers on both sides of the aisle expressing fears for their own safety and taking greater security precautions following a summer of political violence.

Members are beefing up their security, moving public events indoors or canceling them altogether. One is even vowing to carry firearms.

Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, D-N.Y., the progressive star who has faced numerous death threats over the years, said Thursday she had postponed two public events planned for this weekend in North Carolina, including a rally in Raleigh set for Sunday.

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[-] mfed1122@discuss.tchncs.de 154 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

If AOC is cancelling events it's because of fear of retaliatory action on the right, but NBC won't title it in such an honest way.

Also, "one is even vowing to carry firearms" lmao. I'm all for people's right to bear arms, but it doesn't protect you individually from an assassin. What, if only Kirk had a pistol on him, he could have whipped it out and shot the other bullet in half before it hit him, like the fucking Matrix?

[-] PwnTra1n@lemmy.world 42 points 2 months ago

Had someone tell me they had a problem cuz he wasn’t even able to defend himself. The gymnastics to not blame gun violence when he was literally shot while talking about shootings.

[-] mfed1122@discuss.tchncs.de 21 points 2 months ago

It's always depressing yet eye-opening to hear the opinions of people at the grassroots. The average citizen of America truly is so unfathomably dumb. Even the lower class of the 1700s probably had better critical thinking skills. We might even be setting all time records here.

[-] frezik 5 points 2 months ago

There are some arguments, like the "not able to defend himself" one, that are so mindbogglingly stupid that I don't even know what to say in response.

Which might be their rhetorical purpose.

[-] anomnom@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 months ago

They were burning witches a couple decades before that.

We probably shouldn’t underestimate the level of dumb that is and always has been a big part of the human race.

[-] daannii@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

Unfortunately the human brain, which consumes a huge portion of body energy, is literally designed to reduce power use when it can.

Most humans will always choose to forgo cognitively demanding tasks.

Not only that. The more someone chooses to rely on heuristics and biases (mental shortcuts that require little to no mental effort) they become accustomed to this and actually lose the ability to think about things with effort.

Now there are personality traits that predispose people to engage or disengage with cognitively demanding tasks. (Curiosity and "need for cognition" being two big ones)

And there are environmental factors (for instance, a family that encourages or discourages discussion on topics).

But ultimately, most humans will not think about something very deeply if they don't feel the need to (motivation).

Those who do, typically are motivated to side step the energy saver mode that the brain typically reverts to.

Critical thinking is in part, not just the ability to follow cause and effect paths and predict likelihoods of events based on information available, but it is the MOTIVATION to do so.

They are a bit like chicken and the egg. Motivation increases ability. Increase in ability means less effort is required to do critical thinking cause you are skilled at it. (Higher skill equates to less effort needed).

Meaning less motivation is needed to override the energy saving mode default. So the person is more likely to engage in CT even on tasks/decisions most people wouldn't. Essentially they start to question and investigate everything around them.

Also I am finishing up my PhD in cognitive neuroscience.

This isn't my area of study (I study perception), but I still have some knowledge of this topic so if anyone has any questions or would like to learn more about this topic, I can send you some wiki links and even some research papers if you want.

It's something I was interested in as I wondered why I find learning enjoyable but so many others literally hate learning new things. Which to me seems crazy.

But it comes down to mental effort and motivation. Motivation must be strong enough to over ride the body's need to conserve energy.

[-] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 11 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Shot immediately after finishing a sentence in which he spouted racist dog whistle bullshit about the predominant demographics of mass shooters, as he was sitting under an easy-up emblazoned with PROVE ME WRONG.

The marksman:

okay, well, since you asked so nicely…

Genuinely, the comedic timing was jaw-droppingly impeccable.

[-] postmateDumbass@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago

Not sure if this is official onion or not, but this one hit bullseye.

Ngl the memes about Artery Charlie are just absolute 🔥🔥🔥

[-] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 16 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Not just for assassins. Carrying a gun is negative for your physical safety in general.

[-] Treczoks@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

And to take up the gun-nuts usual spiel: this time, the people had the good guy with the gun to defend them against Kirk.

[-] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 months ago

AOC has had a target on her for years.

[-] leftzero@lemmy.dbzer0.com 81 points 2 months ago

Members of Congress fear for their safety after Charlie Kirk assassination

Good.

The people shouldn't be afraid of their government.

The government should be afraid of the people.

[-] cmhe@lemmy.world 17 points 2 months ago

They should be afraid of the people, but not of individuals with guns or money to hire contract killers.

Kirk's death was a public assassination. There are many easier for ways someone can kill an unsuspecting target. The way the killer escaped makes it likely they where professional or otherwise trained, not just crazy. The killer choose a difficult and public way to kill him, meaning it is more then just about killing Krik. It is clearly a message, question is what message and to whom.

[-] ubergeek@lemmy.today 10 points 2 months ago

They should be afraid of the people, but not of individuals with guns or money to hire contract killers.

No, they should be afraid of that too, just like every other citizen in this country.

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[-] threeonefour@piefed.ca 74 points 2 months ago

They shouldn't be allowed to feel safe going to work until kids feel safe going to school.

[-] RFKJrsBrainworm@sh.itjust.works 17 points 2 months ago

I'd argue they shouldn't feel safe until they start to defend the constitution

[-] peaceful_world_view@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

That's a good line.

[-] courval@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago
[-] SereneSadie@lemmy.myserv.one 61 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

They still won't get what it's like for LGBT+ people under their terrorist reigime.

[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago

Yeah i don't just fear for myself and my family, I fear for my people. That friends I haven't seen in years will be struck down and I won't know until day of remembrance

[-] Steve@startrek.website 2 points 2 months ago

Duh, empathy isnt real.

[-] skooma_king@piefed.social 47 points 2 months ago

We must spy on everyone at all times, but we know the answers to nothing.

[-] sepi@piefed.social 16 points 2 months ago
[-] postmateDumbass@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

*They arent giving away the answers for nothing.

[-] ambiguous_yelp 40 points 2 months ago

People shouldn't be afraid of their governments governments should be afraid of their people - V For Vendetta

[-] PhilipTheBucket@piefed.social 25 points 2 months ago

They are afraid. That's why all the nonsense, and calling out the National Guard and whatnot.

[-] Runaway@lemmy.zip 26 points 2 months ago

AOC is fearing retaliation, justifiably so given her colleagues. Just about anyone else? good. honestly a bit of fear of the masses might do good

[-] Canconda@lemmy.ca 13 points 2 months ago

Only in America do they consider shooting their elected representatives before electing different ones /s

[-] mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 2 months ago

America is a weird dichotomy, where congressional approval ratings as a whole are in the toilet… But approval ratings among individual representatives with their constituents is fairly high. Generally speaking, people like their own representatives, even though they dislike congress as a whole. Basically, every single person is going “it’s all the other voters’ fault that congress is so broken.”

If AOC was getting a death threat, it statistically wasn’t from someone in her own district, because her constituents like her.

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[-] P00ptart@lemmy.world 26 points 2 months ago
[-] enkille@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago

a ralleigh!

[-] Marshezezz 22 points 2 months ago

Meh 🤷‍♂️ sucks to feel fear, doesn’t it?

[-] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 21 points 2 months ago

Should be more concerned with trump throwing dems in a gulag than getting shot.

[-] Thom@discuss.online 9 points 2 months ago

Trump will use the gun violence to justify such gulag. Democrats are enduring abuse and they are helpless. Something's gotta crack

[-] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 17 points 2 months ago

I wonder how much of this is people just being freaked out, how much of it is based on intelligence not available to the public, and how much of it is cynical theater.

[-] SpikesOtherDog@ani.social 9 points 2 months ago

No matter which way you lean, you will probably be thinking about protecting your neck.

[-] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I dunno, not being Charlie Kirk seems to have protected everyone else so far. Maybe they have evidence the shooter is after politicians too, maybe they don’t; not a chance the public knows everything they know. My guess (emphasis on guess) is anyone who wanted to go after a politician would start with that, not some conservative grifter.

Maybe this comment will look stupid AF in a week, who knows.

[-] tidderuuf@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago

He literally said if he was getting death threats then he is doing something right. Sounds like a classic case of fuck around find out.

[-] Treczoks@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago

Ah, suddenly 2A looses it's appeal?

[-] scathliath@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 2 months ago

Oh did a bunch of "gods among men" get reminded they're just voted in mortals? How tragic.

[-] hayvan@feddit.nl 6 points 2 months ago
[-] dan@literature.cafe 5 points 2 months ago

They should

[-] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 months ago

" I don't understand these lefties..if there is no bread, just eat cake!"

[-] Evil_Shrubbery@thelemmy.club 4 points 2 months ago

... if there would have been a policy where elected officials would get regularly executed by an established design (eg if a referendum would show that, or like an impeachment mechanic, or end of term public review of their work, etc) I bet policies would have been run/voted on/executed differently.

Such executions would be low stake for the country, but direct accountability for elected public servants.

(I'm not advocating for such a system, just a random discussion ide,a or a writing prompt.)

[-] SpikesOtherDog@ani.social 3 points 2 months ago

Your comment isn't wrong, but maybe not being Charlie Kirk is exactly what will be dangerous for some politicians.

[-] not_that_guy05@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

Guys guys I thought this was Gods ? No? Not when it's one of them? Got it.

Fuck You god and your will, I guess.

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