I understand why he's despairing and frustrated after so many years of effort, but I hope his framing doesn't quell people's efforts. It's definitely too late to stop climate change from happening, but we can still effect how bad it gets, so please don't give up.
That's the point, though, is we can't. Once these points are passed, we could literally be at 0 emissions tomorrow and it'll still keep getting worse.
Do what you can but face facts. We're fucked.
That is not a position backed by our current climate science knowledge. We do have a certain amount of climate change baked in right now, absolutely. And it will remain like that for quite a long time, and yes, if we went net-zero, it will stay that way for many decades, maybe even a century or two.
But we can influence how bad that period is, and if it will ever level off (for future generations, not in our lifetime).
If we throw up our hands and do nothing, we are guaranteeing our doom as a species. If we continue to fight, we can ease the pain and horror we and our future generations will have to go through, survive as species, and far in the future, bring the climate back to what it was pre-industial revolution.
I hope youre right.
It will keep getting worse, yes, but we can still impact how many generations down the line that will keep happening. That's what's hard at this point: giving a shit about descendants we will never meet.
Look again i get it, im with you
For me, though, my descendents are right here in front of me. And what's keeping me going, personally, steers closer to anger than hope. They will suffer. My kids.
Humans 100-200+ years from now will know nothing else. Im sorry for them. But im here now, and now is a time to face facts. Civilization is going to end, for all intents and purposes. Our world, the human world, is dying, and we won't be able to keep up except as mammals 65mil years ago did, hiding in holes.
What we should be doing now, is avenging the future.
Yes we can. We always have been able to. The problem is the willingness is not there yet. It will get worse before it gets better.
As for being able to, there are so many solutions. Watch this video by Gwynn Dyer it's great.
I don’t have kids and I just don’t care anymore. We fucked the planet and humans will never escape it before it collapses us as a species. Fuck em and fuck it. I just gotta make it like 30 more years.
Doomerism isn't the answer. You may not have kids, but other people still will, and they'll have to live through the world we leave them. Instead of giving up and saying fuck it, use your anger, hope, love, whatever you need to fuel you, and do what you can. Plant trees to create shade you will not be under, find ways to minimize your energy usage, get to know your community, talk to them, prepare together.
It's far more fulfilling than waiting out your death in despair, so even if you think it's all useless, you'll have a much better time of it either way.
Oh I'm not in despair, eat drink and be merry for tomorrow you may die.
We should stoke anger. Hope made us blind and we sleepwalked into warming.
It's too late for justice. Now only revenge remains
Chronicle of a death foretold. We knew everything, had every opportunity to act and mitigate, and failed even in the least of that.
We will reap what we sow. The billionaires already know and they know there's no fixing it either, so that's why they're busy robbing the store with the customers still in it. They just want to hoard whatever resources they feel they will need for their "survival" in the World After.
The billionaires know they've already f*cked everything, so now they're funding authoritarians everywhere to release the legal and regulatory valves, allowing them to just suck up one last big bag of wealth to fund their bunkers for what is to come. That's why the masks have come off lately, they don't care to hide their motivations any more -- they think it's past the point of no return, and they just want to grab what they can as quickly and brutally as possible before things really go into the crapper.
https://nypost.com/2022/09/24/how-the-worlds-billionaires-are-paying-to-escape-global-disaster/
There should be a concerted effort to uncover and document where they've been building their bunkers and hidden underground paradises so we can throw potatoes into the ventilators and shit in the water intakes when the time comes. Let their retreats become their tombs.
Why would you waste a potato on the air vent..? Just cover it with mud. Maybe shove the rotting corpse of something in their first.
When I die just throw me in the ~~trash~~ billionaire's air duct
I have to say its kinda bullshit to think or say “we” acted when it was like 10 people in a room 80+ years ago.
We may not share the blame but we'll for sure share in the consequences.
Now that's an inconvenient truth.
Do the IPCC, representing the scientific consensus, agree?
"Because if we can't protect the Earth, you can be damned well sure we'll avenge it."
It always seemed hilarious to me that billionaires think they'll be safe in their AI run bunkers. You need air, bitch. And food. Good luck automating that.
I vow to use my last dying breath to shove shit into your air supply.
Rich people, nobles, so on, are only so because they stand on top of a mass of people that grants them their benefits. It should be in their interest to foster and nurture the society they live in, because they stand to reap greater benefits than anybody else.
No bunker is going to shelter you from the fall of society, unless you have a plan and the skills to become a warlord or something.
Based on this interview with Douglas Rushkoff, they can't even fathom treating their security guards well to prevent them from revolting in the bunker.
Even a warlord would need a whole bunch of people willing to support them.
Yeah that's what I meant, unless you plan to be the baddest warlord in order to keep hold of your bunker through terror and violence, good luck
if the earth became unlivable because of us, i think i would not allow humans to escape to space
I will not forget who brought us here, though.
That's a long list, but I agree.
I wonder how much big oil paid him to say that
Probably nothing since it’s pretty fucking obvious.
It's only beginning.
We had like a hundred years to mitigate this, and we didn't. Had to run out of time at some point.
It’s David Fucking Suzuki. He’s a bit of a turd in some parts of his personal life but on the environment he’s completely dedicated, and generally Not Wrong about science.
We can't stop the sun from growing so anything we do here on earth is ultimately meaningless.
Eventually there will be a heat death of the universe, so that technically makes all existence 'meaningless' if you consider an ending to make everything before it meaningless.
Before then though, there will be a lot of existing going on for living beings, who fill their lives with meaning and joy and connection while they remain alive, and we'd rather like it if our environment wasn't a complete garbage fire while doing so.
You can make any question existential enough to void everything of meaning. Nobody cares about being effortlessly technically correct, they care about effort to correct something immediately material and consequential. "We're all gonna die so who cares?" Is the doomerist get out of jail free card to excuse being a part of, or a tool of those creating the problem. May as well not voice any opinion at all, because it won't be remembered forever. May as well just commit suicide because your relationships and your ultimate impact on the world and humanity through your existence is pointless because The Universe will end at some impossibly distant point in the future beyond what we can even pretend to understand as a scale of time. What a useful observation.
If only you put your bottles in the other container that will be burnt on a beach in Turkey, we'd be all right
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