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In this study, the scientists simulated the process of spaced learning by examining two types of non-brain human cells — one from nerve tissue and one from kidney tissue — in a laboratory setting.

These cells were exposed to varying patterns of chemical signals, akin to the exposure of brain cells to neurotransmitter patterns when we learn new information.

The intriguing part? These non-brain cells also switched on a “memory gene” – the same gene that brain cells activate when they detect information patterns and reorganize their connections to form memories.

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[-] Shardikprime@lemmy.world 10 points 23 hours ago

Yeah last week people on Lemmy were arguing that memory is the simplest thing to exist EVER and that musk's neuralink meant we had matrix reloaded already at the corner

The hubris never ceases to amaze me

[-] Yewb@lemmy.world 20 points 23 hours ago

Musk is a snake oil salesman that buys other people's ideas and pays smart people to make it, then steals all the profits for himself.

Modern day Thomas Edison.

[-] CitizenKong@lemmy.world 3 points 23 hours ago

Except he hasn't electrocuted a live elephant to make a point. Yet.

[-] irreticent@lemmy.world 9 points 22 hours ago

In related news:

The complications include bloody diarrhea, partial paralysis, and cerebral edema, a condition colloquially known as “brain swelling.”

[-] MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 17 points 1 day ago

Isn't the title misleading? A cell switching on the same gen neurons use to connect, if exposed to substance used to transmit information, doesn't mean it stores or transmits any memories. It seems it doesn't even do anything more, like forming dendrites or "answering" chemically.

Guess that's just a side-effect of how the gen is exposed.

[-] mambabasa@slrpnk.net 14 points 1 day ago

It's more than that. People who have had heart transplants can inherit memories and personality traits from the donor. Cells remember more than they let on and can pass these memories to the recipient.

See this study. I think it's safe to say we have some empirical evidence for this. In the linked study, there's a kid who received a heart from another kid who died trying to retrieve a power ranger and somehow the donor knew that without anyone telling him. Another kid received a heart from a kid who drowned and he became afraid of water.

[-] Couldbealeotard@lemmy.world 3 points 14 hours ago

Sounds like utter bullshit to be honest with you.

At the bottom of that article you linked:
"Research data for this article Data not available / No data was used for the research described in the article"

[-] Luccus@feddit.org 5 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

If I read the cited sources and they turn out to be a bunch of untested hypotheses based on poorly conducted studies… I'll be mad.

Just skimming through it makes a bad first impression.

…I'm not even trying to be derisive. I'm just really angry at how much "there's a study" has become "there's proof". And I shouldn't even be mad because communicating that difference should be the authors' job.

If you value your time, don't read any further because I'm just going to vent a little:


So I lack any formal education (apart from ficking school). The best thing I can say about myself is that I can hold and mostly understand a conversation with people who are actually educated in their field.

But some studies are bad. Like bad-bad. So bad that I think, most people who can read should be able to recognize their flaws if they actually read them.

For example:

I read a study a while back about genetic (as opposed to learned) prepositions of monkeys in relation to their biological sex and preference for toys.

The methodology was bad, but here's the shittiest part imo: At the end of the study, the researchers found that of the 130 or so monkeys, only about half showed any preference for any kind toy. So the researchers excluded the unbiased monkeys from the test. Of the remaining monkeys, still only the males showed any preference for the "male" toys. So the females were also excluded. In the end, only 30 monkeys actually counted, because they showed the hypothesized difference in their preferences. And even those only showed a delta of 10-30% in the time they spent with the toys.

The study should have concluded that most monkeys don't give a shit if a toy has wheels (like a shopping cart, which apparently makes it a "male" toy) or if it's soft, like a plush (which is "female" because boys would never touch a plushy, of course).

Instead, they found that their hypothesis turned out to be correct, after disregarding anything that invalidated their hypothesis.

Where did I get this study from? From social media, of course. Where a bunch of meat heads "proved" that all women genetically want to be tradwives and trans people don't exist or some shit.

Fuck everything about this.

[-] ValenThyme@reddthat.com 25 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

fascinating, this concept is a core to the theravadan buddhist practice of vipassana meditation, which is supposed to be what the buddha himself actually taught in his wandering classroom. I always took that bit with a grain of salt assuming it was just an old misunderstanding of what's going on but the kind of non-thought memories appears to be exactly what is described.

it's called Vasana and it's said to be like 'perfume lingering in cloth', the residual karma from our actions that shapes our future and influences automatic actions and preferences. Trauma is said to be stored in the body as well as Sankhara.

I have always viewed vipassana as mental martial arts more than religion, and brushed off all the reincarnation and other inexplicable stuff. fascinating to hear scientists confirming what philosophers came up with thousands of years ago.

[-] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 3 points 23 hours ago

Kwisatz Haderach here we come

[-] Matty_r@programming.dev 19 points 1 day ago

Its like the blockchain for you body.

[-] PainInTheAES@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago
[-] Brickhead92@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

Identifier of ownership

[-] Metostopholes@midwest.social 186 points 2 days ago

Memory is stored in the balls

[-] phx@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago

Well some species do potentially have "genetic memories" so maybe some stuff actually could be

[-] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 50 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Just to recap, sperm, pee, microplastics, and memories are stored in the balls? Am I missing anything? I can’t remember. Maybe my balls are too full of microplastics to recall.

[-] masterofn001@lemmy.ca 35 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)
[-] Sabata11792@ani.social 27 points 2 days ago

I'm sure you could fit a few dollars in loose change in there to.

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[-] 100_kg_90_de_belin@feddit.it 5 points 1 day ago

Still better that "pee is stored in the brain"

Thanks i actually needed this comment to be here.

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[-] KaTaRaNaGa@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago

“The Body Keeps the Score”

[-] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 33 points 1 day ago

Not to be a debbie downer here, but it's important to keep in mind that unless expressly stated otherwise, so-called discoveries that are only published in out-of-the-way (ie. not respected scientific journals) have usually not been peer reviewed or had their results replicated, which is the entire point of the scientific method.

[-] _bac@lemmy.world 25 points 1 day ago

Its interestng, but kidney cells are not exposed to patterns of neurotransmiters like nerve cells are. Cells can be reprogramed to be stem cells as well with the right pattern od signals but that does not mean that it really happens in the body.

[-] ABCDE@lemmy.world 76 points 2 days ago
[-] Endymion_Mallorn@kbin.melroy.org 30 points 2 days ago

Technically, a handgun also kills cancer in vivo. The problem is the cost to the host body.

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[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 6 points 1 day ago

Isn't this literally the plot to the Reanimator?

[-] SlothMama@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

Well, it's certainly the plot of Assassin's Creed

[-] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 30 points 1 day ago

Its not the same memory as your brain. your life story is not in your non nerve cells. they have memory the same as yeast has memory but everyone is aware of how we have muscle memory in reptitive tasks.

[-] Xeroxchasechase@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago

I think muscle memory is just a phrase, but the training that makes and embed the "muscle memory" is essentially nural

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[-] Liome@pawb.social 40 points 2 days ago

Do we need to format our kidneys before becoming a donor now?

[-] Atelopus-zeteki@fedia.io 36 points 2 days ago

Maybe. There are numerous reports of people having changes in personality after organ transplants.

Personality changes following heart transplantation: The role of cellular memory https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31739081/

https://www.sciencealert.com/eerie-personality-changes-sometimes-happen-after-organ-transplants

[-] RestrictedAccount@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

Many stories like this from fecal exchanges (trans-poo-sions)

[-] Atelopus-zeteki@fedia.io 4 points 1 day ago

Yes, that is also true. Many things make up the mind, and changing a major input, e.g. the microbiota that make a particular mix of short chain fatty acids and other neuro effective compounds, is going to change the cognitive outputs.

[-] Lumisal@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

To be fair, I think anyone going through something as traumatic as basically being put into stasis and having their heart cut out and and then having one reattached would change a bit simply because of the process.

I mean, you don't keep stepping on Lego bricks barefoot after you've done so, and we expect people who have had a heart ripped out and then another one reinserted to act the same?...

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[-] BigTrout75@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago

"Muscle memory" is real.

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