Jews around the word are less safe because of Israel when they were promised the opposite. Their faith has been used as a cover for a land grab and they put your holy symbol on a flag they go to war, and worse, under. It's no wonder so many Jews at least in the US are critical of Israel. It probably feels a lot like being a regular Muslim watching groups commit violence with their religious iconography and warped interpretations used to create 'justification'.
Anecdotally, I've never met any Jewish people in the US who didn't have strongly negative opinions of the government/state of Israel.
Some people aren't okay with their holy texts being warped into a cudgel and used to beat down the innocent.
It depends on your particular social circle but 80-85% of Jews are supportive of Israel. Most oppose Netanyahu.
Some people aren't okay with their holy texts being warped into a cudgel and used to beat down the innocent.
Damn, if that isn't a spot-on description of how I feel about my faith right now.
My parents don't understand why I stopped going to church, amd when I try to explain why, they say that they're different when they're really not.
A lot like being German in 1949.
Sounds like you're condoning this behaviour.
Edit: good old Lemmy, where saying it's bad to hate on people just because of where they're born will get you downvoted to oblivion. You all need to step back and re-examine your views.
It doesn’t say they’re excluding all Jewish people, it says they’re excluding Israelis. You know, people from the country where they all serve in the military, except the most extreme religious extremists (for now anyway), the country actively violating international law in the West Bank and actively committing genocide.
There are plenty of non-Israeli Jewish people. Non-Zionist Jews are lovely people and should not be excluded.
This is the same as refusing to do business with apartheid South Africans.
This is the same as refusing to do business with apartheid South Africans.
Reminds me of some of the tourism sanctions on Russians as well. I don't like when the net's cast too wide, I know for a fact there are Israeli and Russian peoples who would stop these conflicts if they could and it sucks they're caught up in this, but I can understand the premise of barring by nationality. I just also know in the case of Israel, it's likely going to be taken to far or used as a point to embolden bigots who may try to use this to cover their beliefs about all Jews and make them appear easier for normal folk to tolerate. Really a double edge sword because I do think Israel needs a dose of responsibility, hell if the world had the balls American could use one too.
This is some random dude, not Benjamin Netanyahu. Would you support that hotel banning all Palestinians because they are governed by an internationally-recognized terrorist organisation?
Would you support that hotel banning all Palestinians because they are governed by an internationally-recognized terrorist organisation?
When's the last time Palestinians got to vote for who they are governed by?
Sounds like this is someone with significant ties to the IDF. Although since they force everyone except religious extremists to serve, maybe that doesn't mean much.
Sounds like you didn’t comprehend their comment.
YES.
Denizens of an apartheid regime, beneficiaries of a genocide do not get to enjoy tourism abroad. Is that unequivocal enough for you?
Punishing unknown people for the actions of their government?
As a US citizen, this is concerning.
My government has done all kinds of shit I have no control over, and don't condone.
Should I be held responsible for any of it?
Punishing unknown people for the actions of their government?
Yes, I agree, killing innocent people because of the country they are in is terrible.
So terrible that the act of limiting the leisure options of the people who support those actions becomes morally acceptable, because shaming bad behaviour is actually a good thing to do.
Maybe America would stop being such a shit show if other countries actually stoped cowtowing to American demands and forced is to behave properly.
I don’t want to be held responsible for the appalling actions of my government, but as a voter I understand why people in other countries would. I have more control over it than they do, so them influencing me influences my government.
Denial of hospitality is not the same as a punishment. Speak to US soldiers stationed on Okinawa and you’ll hear similar sentiments from the locals towards them
Saying “I don’t want to offer room and board to a IDF soldier who may have been in Gaza” isn’t a big leap for Japanese society, they’ve apologized for and reckoned with their imperialist past and brutal ethnic cleansing, and generally as a nation actively pushed for peace and cooperation globally. Israel hasn’t done the same, and doesn’t work towards the same goal.
Correct. Citizens of a government that is conducting a genocide ahould not be welcome in other countries.
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You aren't being down voted for saying it's bad to hate on people because they're Jewish or Israeli.
You're being down voted for espousing a false dichotomy, on par with "if you aren't with us you're against us"
It honestly feels like we somehow have to take back the (very loaded) word "antisemitism", as Israel and its supporters seem intent on making it mean "anything the Israeli government disagrees with".
I'm not an antisemite, and have no hate whatsoever for anyone because of theirs religious beliefs or where they come from. My views are antizionist and antigenocide. Which are strictly political views, not tied to any specific demographic of people.
This has been going on for years though. In the same way that it is not islamophobic to criticize somebody who happens to be Muslim. It is not anti-semitic to criticize somebody who is Jewish. But you try explaining that to Jewish person and you get pushback as if somehow criticizing the military and their government, is the same as criticizing them even though I never even mentioned them.
According to my parents this argument has been going on since the '60s so I don't think it's going to get resolved anytime soon.
Cut it out with this antisemitism bullshit. Nobody cares that you're Jewish. People care about genocide no matter what invisible sky being you prefer.
Sounds a lot like what Americans faced when Bush attacked Iraq. And just as justified (ie not unjustified, but perhaps taken to extremes).
Israelis: Your government has made your nation a pariah. You are the people best positioned to change that. Get those motherfuckers out of office.
Whoever said history repeats itself was spot on
Truth is that many don't care that they get called anti semitic because one small subset of a religion over applies the term entirely out of context. They made it a meaningless slur on anyone who is against genocide.
The Israeli government sucks, but it's not fair to punish its traveling citizens for that.
Yes it is.
The Israel government does not exist in a vacuum. Its Israelis running the government, Israelis committing war crimes, and its Israelis who should be held accountable for their actions.
"The American government does not exist in a vacuum. It's Americans running the government, Americans committing war crimes, and it's Americans who should be held responsible for their actions."
You are not making the point you think you are.
They all serve in the IDF. They have all been actively involved in war crimes. There are no innocent Israeli adults.
https://www.theatlantic.com/past/docs/unbound/bookauth/zionism/america.htm
It is an atlantic article but it's from the 90s and an excerpt from a book. America was already Zion, but Jews integrated too much for the hyperconservatives.
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