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All this new excitement with Lemmy and federation has got me thinking that maybe I should learn to run my own instance. What always comes up though is how email is the orginal federated technology.

I am looking at proxmox and see that is has a built in email server, so now I am wondering if it is time to role my own.

I stopped using gmail a long time ago, and right now I use ProtonMail, but I am super frustrated with the dumb limitation of only having a single account for the app. I get why they do it, and I am willing to pay, but it is pricey and I don't know if that is my best option. I guess it is worth it since ProtonVPN is included. It looks like they are expanding their suite.

Is it worth it? Can I make it secure? Is it stupid to run it off a local computer on my home network?

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[-] zmhanham@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Infomaniak has pretty nice free email server options that you can link your domain to. They are a Switzerland based company which is known for having the best privacy laws around.

[-] DidacticDumbass@lemmy.one 1 points 1 year ago

Wow, this looks pretty awesome. It has become obvious that I need to buy my own domain name, and Infomaniak makes it kind exciting, since it basically lets me jump into exactly what I am trying to do. Seriously, when I think I have seen all of my options, something new pops up that trumps it all.

Should I buy my domain from Infomaniak, or is it better somewhere else? What name would I even choose? Will I get my first pick? What extension is the coolest while still maintaining an air of professionalism? Maybe I should buy too, one that is just my full ass name, and the other a fun one to be the central hub of all my online things that I will probably start doing now that I am excited by this.

[-] zmhanham@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I guess it defeats the point of self hosting. But a common theme is that email self hosting is extremely difficult. Many things to take into account. I'd say go for it and maybe you'll learn a lot in the process. But if you give up on self hosting it, but still want yiue own mail server on your own domain, then I'd say use infomaniak.

[-] DidacticDumbass@lemmy.one 1 points 1 year ago

Yeah, I don't necessarily want to give up because I think it is cool. Plus, there are use case where receiving is all that matters, like weekly mailing list with fun articles and recommendations, and I hate blowing up an email address just for that. Confirmation is still a problem, but I am willing to experiment with that.

Okay, I will just by the domain name. I have been wanting one for awhile but never took the plunge, and I can't think of anything special... well, I just came up with something better. This is good.

[-] greaterthanstupid@dmv.social 1 points 1 year ago

there are many replies saying similar things, but don't be discouraged from try it out. i host my own with mailinabox on a vm from a cloud provider. no spam issues. the only wildcard was spending a few months getting my ip address off google's spam filters. it is so worth it, i own my own email/calendar/contacts/notes/todo list/ AND website solution. all with mailinabox. completely disconnected from google etc.

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[-] Dumledyr2005@feddit.dk 1 points 1 year ago

I run a complete ISP style setup with multiple domains. I run it from a rented server at Hetzner, so i don't have problems with being black listed for sending from a consumer IP.

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[-] boilingpenguin@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I've thought about rolling my own email service, but I'm hesitant given the risk of it inadvertently nuking the rest of my network. There's a lot of work needed to keep the thing secure, and even if you do everything right there's a good chance you get SMTP traffic blocked because other services are worried about unknown accidentally hosting spammer networks.

Plus given my prior track record, there is a $1000% chance I screw up the DNS entries for any mail servers I set up.

[-] DidacticDumbass@lemmy.one 1 points 1 year ago

A lot of people on here are way more technically minded than I will ever be, so if they are having trouble, I AM IN TROUBLE! AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!

I think I will be fine. I am keeping the emails I already set up. If I get fluent and comfortable running my own email server, I may migrate, but I am not shooting myself in the foot anytime soon.

[-] frantic6423@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I do. Run about a half dozen email servers for various organizations. Been doing it for almost a decade for some. Other than initial setup pain, I've had zero problems others describe. I have used (and still run) docker-mailserver, mailcow, mail-in-a-box and mailu. All are lovely in their own way and fit various use cases better than others.

[-] DidacticDumbass@lemmy.one 1 points 1 year ago

This is so encouraging! For sure it takes a level of technical proficiency and experience, but any technology that has been around for decades has been simplified and automated in one way or another. In retrospect, it is ridiculous to think that all these email providers could exist if they could not overcome the stranglehold of Google and Microsoft, so it must be possible for individuals to do it too,

[-] konekt@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Your comment is amazing and your experience with that too. Could you explain a little more about what pros and cons of these services? I saw right here the link to IsPGuide - workaround.org where he recommends Debian and metal service. Would you have any opinion on that too?

[-] Chobbes@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Gotta say, I’m really happy to see so many people here actually talking about doing it! Usually I see a lot of fear-mongering about self hosting email. You can do it, though, and I think we should encourage more people to do so! It can be a little tricky to set up at first because there’s a lot of different things you need to configure and make talk to each other — I haven’t used them but there’s things like mail-in-a-box that are supposed to make this easier. But the most important thing is to make sure you set up SPF, DMARC, and DKIM DNS records (and set up DKIM signing for your outgoing messages). I’d recommend setting the ruf and rua tags in the DMARC record so you get mailed reports from other mail servers (can help you debug if your mail is getting rejected). I’d also use these tools:

https://www.mail-tester.com/ https://www.learndmarc.com/

Happy mailing :)

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[-] matt@lemmy.piperservers.net 1 points 1 year ago

I ran email server with Mailcow Docker. Easiest way I have found. It is perfect to host your own mailbox but as other have said, the sending from your IP might just get blocked by other big mail servers. Luckily Mailcow allows you to use it as a SMTP relay and you can route outbound mail through the well known SMTP services.

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