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Fuck off. It’s vote Dem or face the destruction of the US.
Guess what the oppressed of the world prefer...
You know ‘the oppressed of the world’ would not be so oppressed if the progressive left of the US had a long free reign over policy and if other countries stopped putting utter shitcunts into power. Looking at you China and Russia.
The "progressive left" that is being headed by Genocide Joe?? I wouldn't bet on it...
No the actual progressive left.
I’m beginning to realise that you’re a troll and am going to stop feeding you.
And how does voting biden help them??
He’s the only viable candidate in the field. He has a lifetime of experience and is overall a reasonable person.
I believe we have reached the end of what can be said based on facts. If you think that genocide joe, despite his fervent zionism, despite his enthusiastic support for the ongoing ethnic cleansing in palestine, even finding ways around congress to support it, that he still is a reasonable candidate who would help the left in the US get to a position of power where they can enact meaningful change, even though you agree he isn't a progressive leftist that would do anything a leftist person would do, then I dont know what else I have to say.
Have a nice slide into fascism while voting for harm reduction that never seems to come.
So would you have us vote for Trump?!?! I’m not sure of what your solution is.
Vote third party or dont vote unless the dems get their shit together. Thats the only thing that gets them to do anything. Failing that nothing will change, you can wring your hands and lament the current state of affairs, but the only thing that makes any material difference is in how you vote.
The real solution of course is communist revolution, so get organizing with others in order to mitigate the effects of the current slide into fascism, but if you keep voting "blue no matter who" you have effectively given up on representative democracy.
Oh you are a silly sausage aren’t you?
Either genuinely deluded or genuinely disingenuous.
If there wasn’t the massive existential threat of Christo-fascist authoritarian rule in the US then I might say ok, sure, go ahead and vote for a third party.
How do you think this plays out? The republicans aren't going to run anyone better, so the dems only have to run someone who isn't openly as bad as their candidate since people like you will vote for them anyway. They are ineffective in stopping the christofascism, they are not a neutralization of that threat, the last 4 years have made that very clear.
And they never will be unless you give them a reason to get to work. It will continue to get worse if you keep voting them in, it just does not work. They have to change but they wont unless there is a reason to.
No, he's right. You should take a step back and recalibrate.
Ok. Goodnight.
Good morning west coaster lol.
You do not have a left wing party in the US.
Not truly, no. Sadly.
Well, congratulations to Democrats for making sure the progressive left has no power.
Mmmm. No. The Dems have had to slowly drift rightwards to ensure they get some votes from those influenced by the rightwing media ecosystem.
No, party leadership drifts rightwards and counts on their fans making up excuses for them.
Troll
Because I"m not happy with the party's rightward shift like you are?
I’m not happy with it but claiming the only way to react is not to vote is a classic disinformation tactic.
OP is a Rightwing / Russian shitbag.
I doubt that.
I did not claim that.
Yes, centrists say that about everyone to their left.
Oh are you ‘left’ now?!? Because it seems to me that you are doing everything you can to sabotage and demoralise the Dems and help the GOP.
I'm not going to apologize for being unhappy with the party's decades-long shift to the right.
I love how when centrists can't defend how utterly useless they've made the party, they start calling people republicans and russians.
I’m not a ‘centrist’ but I am realist.
I’m far more Left than you know, but realise that unless we play the hand we have, the whole game is over.
Right now, we have Biden. There’s no one else lined up. That’s what it is. It’s either him or Trump come November.
You gonna roll around crying and kicking on the ground and poop your pants, or stand up and use whatever leverage we have to push back against the tide of blatant evil that the GOP not only represents, but literally acts for…?!?
So you've gone from baseless accusations that everyone on the left with any criticism whatsoever is a Republican or a Russian, to dismissing all criticism as the actions of spoiled children.
You can't defend Biden or his policies on their merits, so you have to sling abuse and accusations instead.
If you expect me to believe that you're not a centrist, stop acting like one.
There's no fucking "we" here. You have leverage over people like me who you clearly hate for daring to be unhappy. Centrists and their Republican best buddies are all we have to vote for, and all we'll ever have to vote for. Congratulations.
Bah. There’ll be no chance for positive change if there’s nothing remaining to change!
You want a smouldering ruin of democracy? Keep it up.
When the people we vote for won't lift a fucking finger to stop fascism and instead support a genocide, I'm going to criticize, no matter how much pro-genocide centrists order me to shut up and be happy.
I think you are exaggerating somewhat.
You have a tendency to jump to calling progressives and leftists Republican Russian children, so there's no reason to accept your assessments as grounded in reality.
If Biden didn't want people saying that he supports Netanyahu's genocide, he shouldn't have circumvented congress to sell weapons for Netanyahu's genocide.
That's not slander. It's what he did. Also it's not slander because it's written. You're thinking of libel, which is what you're doing when you write the lie that I'm a shill for being unhappy with genocide.
Sure is neat how they're a valuable constituency, but progressives are met with open hostility by the party. You're well-represented by the party and you're expecting me to act like I am too.
How long have you old people been using that as an excuse to never attempt to move left?
Thank god.