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What do you mean he "happened to be the guy in the hot seat"? He gleefully sent more bombs during an ongoing genocide, no one really forced his hand did they?
It’s not quite as simple as that. But I agree that it ain’t a good look.
It kind of is though, his stance has been well known for a while now
https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4962369/user-clip-joe-biden-israel-usa-invent-israel-protect-interest-region
What Israel is doing is horrible. Don’t get me wrong.
Biden inherited a long-standing strategic alliance which was not ideal.
Biden helped to create that alliance lol.
Ok ok. But in a few months time the realistic choice (unless trump goes to prison and is disqualified) is Biden vs Trump and I don’t think there’s any choice there whatsoever.
I think that your choices are so bad that it's time to start from scratch.
Trump isn’t even a valid option unless a person is genuinely fucked in the head, which it appear that 40% of the US are.
Yeah if you have a fucked-in-the-head constituency of 40%, I think it's time to start fresh. Especially if you fuckers try to make fucked-in-the-head politics the global norm. Death to America, unironically.
The rightwing media is completely out of control and has been getting worse for decades. Without them (and their dark money paymasters) fuelling the descent into fuckwitism, the US would be in much better shape to help everyone.
And you lump your "left wing" media into the right wing bin too right? Because on a global scale, you have no left wing media. ALL OF YOUR MEDIA IS RIGHT WING.
That’s not true.
I disagree.
The joy of free speech in Western democracies is the ability to disagree publicly without being thrown in jail for it.
Yeah it's been such a joy.
Which is why people shouldn't vote. Don't participate in a sham vote, don't vote for genocidal maniacs.
No you should vote, but you should also engage in civil disobedience, and at some point uncivil disobedience.
I disagree. There is 0 incentive for the democratic party to not fudge primaries/caucuses in order to run hawks like Clinton or Biden if all they have to be is slightly less fascist than Trump in order to still be voted in. If the last week have shown anything its that it wasnt the marches with literally hundrerds of thousands in attendance, but people threatening to withhold their vote, that got the upper echelons of the party sweating. But people have to be prepared to make good on their threats if they want to be taken seriously.
Fair take.
Fuck off. It’s vote Dem or face the destruction of the US.
Guess what the oppressed of the world prefer...
You know ‘the oppressed of the world’ would not be so oppressed if the progressive left of the US had a long free reign over policy and if other countries stopped putting utter shitcunts into power. Looking at you China and Russia.
You do not have a left wing party in the US.
Not truly, no. Sadly.
The "progressive left" that is being headed by Genocide Joe?? I wouldn't bet on it...
No the actual progressive left.
I’m beginning to realise that you’re a troll and am going to stop feeding you.
No, he's right. You should take a step back and recalibrate.
Ok. Goodnight.
Good morning west coaster lol.
And how does voting biden help them??
He’s the only viable candidate in the field. He has a lifetime of experience and is overall a reasonable person.
Well, congratulations to Democrats for making sure the progressive left has no power.
Mmmm. No. The Dems have had to slowly drift rightwards to ensure they get some votes from those influenced by the rightwing media ecosystem.
No, party leadership drifts rightwards and counts on their fans making up excuses for them.
Troll
Because I"m not happy with the party's rightward shift like you are?
Biden helped build that alliance for over 37 years now, thats how old that clip is. And he explicitly says that they would have to "invent an israel if it didn't exist". This man is not in some moral quandary, this is what he wants, what he wanted for a long time.
Simple rules for rulers. You don't become president of the US if you don't commit genocide for all the rest of the people who want it; they ultimately elect you afterall. But remember if you aren't president of the US, you can't enfore any change at all, you have no power.
The most benevolent presidents will still continue to feed the war machine because they wish to be president and enact good. Biden just happened to be in the hotseat in this case, and if it has been Trump there would be war all over europe, nato disbanded and Russia getting Military funds instead.
Biden was not reluctant in his aid to genocide, he was gleeful. This wasn't some lesser of two evils shit for him, this is what he wanted what he worked towards for decades.
https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4962369/user-clip-joe-biden-israel-usa-invent-israel-protect-interest-region
the one good thing Trump threatened to do (he won't actually do it).
Lmao "gleeful". I think you misunderstand how your government works. Congress allocates the money, the president executes the spending.
Wrong again
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/12/29/politics/biden-congress-israel-military-aid/index.html
Just because I keep having to spell this out preemptively:
150million USD in equipment - 106 million USD as price = 44 million USD in military aid to an ongoing genocide without requiring approval from congress. Gleeful.
I'm not wrong, says right there in your article he had to "bypass congress" to send the measly 150 mil to uphold US relations because half of your government is trying to sabotage the other half no matter the cost, reasons or means. Do you know the difference between 150 mil and 40 billion? You're being played by these numbers that Biden "bypassed" out, the entire US government funds Israel.
Go read up on how your government works and then we can chat. Start by your own article
The point wasn't the amount you dingbat. He is giving aid over and beyond what some mysterious "hot seat" requires him to. Even when hampered he still looks for ways to aid ethnic cleansing. He willingly, gleefully is participating in this genocide. You don't vote for people like that. That's beyond any reasonable red line, but seemingly people are willing to let it slide regardless.
The president sold weapons for Netanyahu's genocide and didn't have to go through congress to do it.
You're pulling the "you don't know how government works" Standard Centrist Gaslighting because you can't defend Biden's support for genocide.