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Just 3 years after the January 6 attack, the "harm reduction" candidate is aiding (rushing weapons to, no less) an active genocide, using multiple aircraft carrier groups to fend off the second-poorest country in the middle east, because they are attempting ( and succeeding at) a blockade on the genociders, demanding a ceasefire.
Yeah I'd say there's a lot of propaganda about January 6 if that's where your attention is.
Today on, actual leftist, or right wing Poe's law troll: will voting for Trump end Israeli occupation of Gaza? Call 1800-OBV-IOUS to share your thoughts
I'm not voting for Trump, I'm writing in Hamas. Honestly incredible that democrats feel like they're entitled to my vote.
You are writing in an organization which openly calls for the extermination of Jewish people?
The end to the Jewish settler-ethnostate. They can participate in representative democracy with the rest of the Palestinians. Or are you trying to imply that anti-zionism is antisemitism?
You're literally trying to guilt trip me into voting for the person supporting an actual genocide
Secular representative democracy, right?
Would be an improvement over the settler ethnostates apartheid government.
Ah perfect, because that was the status quo of the Palestine Mandate - to govern Palestine via a bicameral legislature comprised of separate Muslim and Jewish houses. And I assume you know which side accepted this proposal and which side violently rejected it?
Yeah, because they were rejecting the settler-colony. How about zero settler states and 1 state for everyone that isn't an ethnostate?
This was pre-Israel. Partition was only considered because Arab Palestinians refused secular democracy. But as a student of history, you knew.that already.
Not sure what you're trying to accomplish here, is your position that ethnostates are good, or that US taxpayers are not complicit in genocide?
My point is that you claim to want secular democracy, and then you hold a double standard when it comes to Palestinian Arabs explicitly rejecting your solution. If you can convince Hamas to agree to secular unification then they will give you the Nobel Peace prize every day for the next 100 years. But this is not some big brain moment. Democratic unification has been tried. Democratic partition has been tried.
Sounds like you've talked yourself into supporting genocide. I support the people fighting to end the genocide with any means at their disposal.
You mean the side which chooses mass rape over secular democracy? You express support for secular democracy, so I can only infer your feelings on mass rape based on that.
lmao 'mass rapes' you sound like some newsmax grandpa
Like you, I agree that secular unification is the obvious solution to this conflict. However, I am unwilling to ignore the role that religious extremism has historically played in preventing that outcome. It actually saddens me to once again see leftists abandon their first principles in favor of brain dead revolutionary fan service.
Israel is absolutely an apartheid state which has brutalized Gaza far beyond what is necessary for security, retribution or deterrence. They should be condemned and sanctioned soundly for this. However, if you espouse support for secular unification, then you must also acknowledge that the Islamic opposition to Jewish co-governance is a major force preventing this outcome, and it has been that way since before the state of Israel has existed.
At this point I don't care about your concern trolling, excuses and hypotheticals when there's actual shit going down now. The US should really stop supporting Israel if they want any credibility in the rest of the world going forward.
"Excuses and Hypotheticals" being history of the conflict you didn't know about until now?
You are the one who proposed hypothetical unification.
Your position is that when the apartheid government ends, the barbaric savages who have been getting kept at bay by the glorious liberal "democracy" it has (for the right types of citizens who qualify) will take revenge in a way just as brutal and exterminationist as the zionist colony.
That's just chauvinism, and you're just repeating discredited hasbara and acting like a scholar which is fucking hilarious.
we have a real-world example of what happens when an apartheid government ends- was there a genocide of white people in south africa?
I am not making any statement which is not the formal position of Hamas. But you didn't state that you would write in the Palestinian Authority.
lol liberals rolling up to tone police left opposition when your literal position is "lets give the genocidal ethnostate unlimited weapons because it's full of hot white girls who're going to get mass raped by the brown hordes if we just stand by" + "don't forget to vote"
You have the same position when it comes to this as some of the most disgusting republicans I've known
You express preference for secular unification, a stance I have agreed with. I have not expressed any desire to arm Israel. That is all in your head.
good, do you feel upset that the biden government is rushing weapons there? You called me a right wing troll for not wanting to vote for genocide Joe (because of exactly this). Explain your logic.
If it is not incredibly obvious that Trump would do far worse than token support of Israel, then you are either not paying attention to the things he says and does, or you seek to intentionally downplay the things he says and does.
He would, first of all, continue to arm Israel. He would also move onto University campuses with feds to arrest people protesting the war. And he would use this as a premise to escalate tensions with Iran. He has stated all of these things many times. Passive support for Trump objectively and unambiguously accomplishes none of the things you profess to value.
If you want to repeat the mistakes of 2016 in letting the perfect be the enemy of the good, then I assume you either so privileged that you don't believe you will be affected by American fascism, or you are a troll. However, I apologize if you are just naive.
"passive support for trump" lmao
If you seriously think that the democrats are capable of standing between where we are now and fascism, one that's pretty naive too. I am telling you that we're already there- we're supporting the ethnostate ethnically cleansing. You're arguing that it could hypothetically be worse, I'm telling you it doesn't fucking matter at this point, I'm disgusted.
Right, so because of this attitude, people in Texas actually can't use period tracking apps, and people in Ohio are being arrested for having miscarriages. This is not a hypothetical. Doctors in Seattle are being subpoenaed by the Texas AG for providing gender affirming care. This didn't come out of nowhere. We have been yelling about these real, non hypothetical risks constantly. And now, if Trump wins, we know he will use the feds to extradite doctors across state lines. They have openly stated that they will use the executive branch to enforce this Christian nationalism. This is not a hypothetical.
If you are fine with that moral liability, then carry on.
As for me? I am a leftist who actually cares about protecting the vulnerable.
Maybe the democrats should stop doing evil shit if they want people to support them. It rules having libs (good cops) roll up to show me all the evil shit their friends (the bad cops) are going to do to us if we don't support them while they unalive every last brown person standing in the way of the settlers.
Also so much of this shit is happening under democrat governments anyways because they're fucking useless at getting anything done or protecting vulnerable people. They're literally cutting a deal on border security to get more weapons to a genocide
Right, it's very clear that you don't take the actual threat of this project 2025 shit seriously, because you are so incredibly privileged that you will allow your ideological purity blind you to the real world. And at the end of the day, you won't actually prevent any brown people from dying, and will likely make the situation far worse.
But that's fine because what you actually want to do is whine, not govern. Because whining is easy.
Maybe the Democrats should stop doing unpopular things like giving unlimited unconditional material and military support to a genocide.
Sounds like they're the ones not taking this threat seriously. The only plan seems to be to scold people who are disgusted by your actions.
Friend, if supporting Trump liberates Gaza I'll sell everything I own and dedicate my life to rebuilding the region with my own frail hands, and I will die happy for being wrong.
If it doesn't, I hope you will dedicate your life to seeking forgiveness at trans funerals for ignoring these alarms.
If we have a deal, perhaps we can agree to disagree and leave it at that.
I'm literally fucking trans, you have some supreme fucking nerve trying to guilt trip me when the primary fucking killer of Palestinian gay and trans people is the ongoing indiscriminate murder from occupation forces.
Democrats are the worst "allies" in human history.
And that won't stop if Trump is elected. The only difference will be that you and I will be up against the wall as well.
Also, Hamas definitely does not tolerate any LGBT lifestyles.
Just imagine that the republican agenda will keep the things as they are regardless of whoever is in power.
So yeah the president is wrong in this one, but the gop is wrong in this one and in almost everything they do.
I don't view the democrats as credible actors for improving things. Joe Biden still owes me $600 ffs.
Everything shitty that got started under Trump, finished under Biden. They're literally cutting a deal with republicans over the border to get weapons to a genocide faster.
Lol, just remember who had the majority of the house. Basically you are complaining for something that the republican party has thr majority of power to stop and yet they don't do it. Funny if you ask me.
I don't fucking care about which fucking rightwing party had which percentage of the house, it's not like any of them are actually trying to get anything done besides writing fat checks to weapons manufacturers. If we can have an election and then the opposite of the election happens in policy it sounds like we have a pretty worthless fucking democracy and nothing worth defending.
Biden could simply not arm the apartheid ethnostate which is ethnically cleansing Palestine.
Instead he's sending aircraft carrier groups to prevent Yemen from attempting to apply pressure for a ceasefire by blockading.
Sure bud, but the bOtH sIdEs argument is not good at all.
But tell me, under the other parry, would things be different?
Only the rhetoric would be different, the policy outcomes would be the same. I have a lot of negative emotions associated with having a bunch of soulless monsters pretending like they're somehow advancing the cause of LGBT rights by dumping weapons on a genocidal apartheid government.
Again the bOtH sIdEs argument is really bad in this case, because you know, I don't see one side removing rights of a sector of the population.
The hypocrisy here is the fact that many conservatives try to pass the blame 100% to the party in power even if the other party boycots them.
This sentence makes no sense, please do better.
The democrats are literally helping in the removal of rights of an entire fucking population what the fuck are you talking about.
Nah, they don't. The republican party is the one who does that, just look at the abortion rights. You just don't have to lie like that.
Oh the poor Houthi rebels doing Iran’s bidding and attacking international commerce, they’re such victims. Poor guys are going to be red mist soon. Total bummer, said literally no one except shills.
Heroic Yemeni military acting on the Responsibility to Protect, doing whatever is in its power to stop the ongoing genocide. Every country should be doing what Yemen is doing and demand a ceasefire in Gaza.
US global legitimacy is going down the fucking toilet and you have nobody but yourselves to thank for it.