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And the other is an image of some tanks
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It must be so easy being an anti communist, you can just make up whatever unsourced claims you like and expect people to believe it
Oh well, if "some guy" said it...
So if China is so nice, what is the identity of the "Tank Man"? Why can't we find him? It is like he "disappeared".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tank_Man
Well, it is undisputed that the CPC censors all mentions of the 1989 Tiananmen Square protests and massacre. Both public and private - the US may lie, but private free speech is still allowed. So can we please stop pretending that China in its current form is not doing evil?
The local CPC deputies have broken into my house multiple times for mentioning it when talking politics with friends (sarcasm). You people are so unserious
From https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2025/05/what-is-the-tiananmen-crackdown/
Firstly that's public.
Secondly
Thirdly amnesty famous for publishing the nayirah testimony without any factchecking or corroboration
Fourthly you Brits are really butthurt about losing your colony and your bootlickers being a shunned minority.
It is a private person saying a thing. As opposed to the state saying a thing.
And the text also says:
You write:
WTF? I am not British.
For seperate charges related to being an owned arm of the western regime change machine.
My bad I saw the feddit and weird obsession with HK separatists being allowed push for a return to British colonisation and just assumed.
Making public statements, pushing for a public gathering in a public place. Maybe your and my idea of what private means is different. Is it private if a pervert flashes people in public just because they're a "private person"?
In this case, I mean that they are not the state. The state itself censors all mentions in their own communications. And the state also censors mentions by people who are not the state, i.e. private persons.
Ok I understand better now and you're still wrong it's taught as part of the mandatory outline of China's modern history at university.
三、中国特色社会主义事业的继续推进 （一）1989年政治风波的发生与平息 风波形成的原因：腐败现象的出现、人民群众的不满、党在工作中的失误、敌对势力的破坏 风波平息后的总结：稳定非常重要；“一个中心、两个基本点”不能动摇；要时刻注意纠正失误；不能屈服于外来压力
I stand corrected, you can learn about it through official channels. I did not attend Chinese university. However, its mention is filtered by the firewall.
I'm underpaid cia hacker from defunded school and can't hack firewall. Pls remove firewall so I can hack you
That's also not how the firewall works. It's an IP/domain/protocol blacklist not a keyword censoring tool.
Do you disagree that sources discussing it it are deliberately blocked?
Many likely are but I disagree on it generally being the reason. Most places are blocked due to the Chinese law requirement of having servers in China to operate in China.
I do think it is deliberate. Before Wikipedia was blocked, you specifically could not visit the page on Tiananmen Square.
I'm going to be entirely honest here so please don't take this the wrong way but no one here could give less of a fuck about western propoganda and their ridiculous exaggerations and views of events being censored. If anything the west could benefit from stronger censorship of the many Hitlerite views that gain traction over their like double genocide theory, the great replacement etc.
No worries, honest difference of opinion. I think open discourse is helpful for overcoming bigotry.
Yeah open discourse did wonders for the Rohingya, for vaccinations in SEA etc. you really are completely detached from reality.
I don't understand the point of arguing with people pointing out that there is censorship in China if you are pro-censorship.
Because your massive exaggeration of it is ridiculous unhelpful and based entirely in fantasy. Censorship when applied correctly by the working class against its class enemies is good. Censoring Nazis is good. Reality is complicated (honestly this being a key point you refuse to grapple with being a large part of why everything I've seen you post is a mix of uninformed, detached from reality and utopian nonsense)
The "history" you will be taught in that course won't include the reports of the journalists who were there at the time and whose film was confiscated. The famous tank man picture only survived because the journalist who took that picture hid it in a toilet.
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/why-photos-of-tiananmen-squares-tank-man-were-hidden-in-a-hotel-toilet/
And the "history" of the event you were taught was a fantasy cooked up by McCarthyist acolytes to spread atrocity propaganda. Also as I pointed out to the Canadian lib he's famous because who he is and what he did are completely reframed in the west as some sacrificial martyr jumping Infront of tanks (generally with the implication that he was ran over) whereas in reality he was a random man who wanted the tanks to return to the square and was ushered off by passers by not really a revolutionary figure or particularly relevant to the event as a whole. You people are so insufferably arrogant your vision and imagination must be reality.
Also it's not "will be" it's "was" past tense I have completed my university time and it was a fairly good course going over the failures of the government leading to unrest and how it was exploited by outside agitators. But anything short of pure hatred of all the "enemies" of the west will never be enough for you people.
The history I was taught is backed by documentation. The history you were taught ignores the documentation and takes the word of a government that tried to destroy any documents that existed of the event.
Such great documentation such as a journalist who was evacuated before the clashes saying he saw 10,000 killed. Genuinely unserious. You have literally no idea what was taught in the course. It was largely even handed about the many errors of the government which led to unrest, how that was seized upon by outside agitators how many were killed as the rioters and police/the military clashed. But obviously nothing short of pure hatred of the wests enemies will ever be enough for you people.
Amnesty always manufactures consent for shit, but assuming this is true, why would any government be okay with people commemorating an attempt to overthrow them? You're so unserious
Because that is free private speech. That is what free speech means.
You are allowed to commemorate Jan 6 in the US. I think you are an idiot if you do so, but that it still your right to free speech.
People were allowed to do Jan 6 lmao. Fuck, they all even got pardoned. Much better if more of them had gone the way of Babbit, IMO.
"Trying to overthrow the government is free speech" lol you. are. twelve.
I wouldn't expect a Polish nationalist to have a good grasp on anything but "unarmed student protest" is an entirely misleading categorisation of a violent riot that brutally murdered multiple soldiers who were simply standing guard before the clashes broke out and who's leaders did interviews specifically detailing their plans to incite massive violence and flee to America.
Look at the Wujek mine riot, miners were attacking militia with sharpened rebars and loudly threatening to lynch the captured militamen, but when single inexperienced detachment of militia which shouldn't even been there opened fire (and despite entire chain of command from direct commander to minister Kiszczak and gen Jaruzelski absolutely forbidding this) it's suddenly example of horrible martyrology and one of founding myths of comprador III RP.
Of course hundreds of workers being murdered in the prewar Poland and dozens (maybe hundreds) of thousands of social murders after 1989 are not mentioned ever.