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Swiss voters on Sunday decisively rejected a call to require women to do national service in the military, civil protection teams or other forms, as all men must do already.

Official results. with counting still ongoing in some areas after a referendum, showed that more than half of Switzerland’s cantons, or states, had rejected the “citizen service initiative” by wide margins. That meant it was defeated, because proposals need a majority of both voters and cantons to pass.

Voters also heavily rejected a separate proposal to impose a new national tax on individual donations or inheritances of more than 50 million francs ($62 million), with the revenues to be used to fight the impact of climate change and help Switzerland meet its ambitions to have net-zero greenhouse gas emissions by 2050.

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[-] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 days ago

Being drafted is different than doing chores or working in care roles. Everyone capable should be responsible for the defense of those who are not in times of war regardless of sex.

And working in factories, taking care of kids, and just existing are very much part of the war effort. And their lives are very much at risk during a war. Just ask Ukraine.

It is one of those knock-ons from (especially) WW1 and 2 where draft dodging and "conscientious objectors" were such a risk as more and more people came back from the front with grotesque wounds and mental trauma. A culture of "only cowards don't go to war" was built up VERY rapidly... and caused immense issues as young men were unable to fight due to physical ailments or mental trauma so bad that even the 1910s/40s cared.

Except also Rosie the Riveter and all that.

It all ties into the "myth" of "civilian targets" during a full scale war. EVERYONE can agree that blowing up a hospital is evil. What about a factory that makes shoes? What about one that makes boots? Shells? Similarly, EVERYONE can agree that blowing up a residential area is how you go to hell. Now about about a residential area on a military base? Now what about the barracks on a base? Are you only allowed to attack the enemy once they step foot off base?

And going back to that hospital... what about a power plant? Because a LOT of lives are lost when hospitals have extended outages. But those plants ALSO literally power the war effort.

Which is the reality of things. When you just have a massive global north military destroying a country in the name of "counter-terrorism"? Yes, the reality is that a lot of the terrorist/guerilla cells are going to fundamentally be in residential areas and next to hospitals both for optics and convenience. But there is a LOT of "oh... there were some hamas soldiers in that children's ward, sure" evil.

But when an entire country is mobilized for war? The distinction between civilian and military becomes INCREDIBLY murky. Which... we can very much see in Ukraine and russia.

Because, yes, you need people on the front line. You also need people on the backlines for logistics and support. And... you need people just living their lives so that there is something worth fighting for. Rotating troops back for leave is immensely important for morale and... if they return to a skeleton crew raising children in abandoned dormitories? They can never recharge from The War and that leave stops mattering. Which leads to rapid desertion and even worse mental trauma.

And... The Enemy is very aware of that.

[-] verdi@feddit.org 5 points 1 day ago

*Looks at no man's land.

Yes, your point is beyond idiotic.

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