280
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
this post was submitted on 30 Nov 2025
280 points (100.0% liked)
World News
51007 readers
2783 users here now
A community for discussing events around the World
Rules:
-
Rule 1: posts have the following requirements:
- Post news articles only
- Video links are NOT articles and will be removed.
- Title must match the article headline
- Not United States Internal News
- Recent (Past 30 Days)
- Screenshots/links to other social media sites (Twitter/X/Facebook/Youtube/reddit, etc.) are explicitly forbidden, as are link shorteners.
- Blogsites are treated in the same manner as social media sites. Medium, Blogger, Substack, etc. are not valid news links regardless of who is posting them. Yes, legitimate news sites use Blogging platforms, they also use Twitter, Facebook, and YouTube and we don't allow those links either.
-
Rule 2: Do not copy the entire article into your post. The key points in 1-2 paragraphs is allowed (even encouraged!), but large segments of articles posted in the body will result in the post being removed. If you have to stop and think "Is this fair use?", it probably isn't. Archive links, especially the ones created on link submission, are absolutely allowed but those that avoid paywalls are not.
-
Rule 3: Opinions articles, or Articles based on misinformation/propaganda may be removed. Sources that have a Low or Very Low factual reporting rating or MBFC Credibility Rating may be removed.
-
Rule 4: Posts or comments that are homophobic, transphobic, racist, sexist, anti-religious, or ableist will be removed. “Ironic” prejudice is just prejudiced.
-
Posts and comments must abide by the lemmy.world terms of service UPDATED AS OF OCTOBER 19 2025
-
Rule 5: Keep it civil. It's OK to say the subject of an article is behaving like a (pejorative, pejorative). It's NOT OK to say another USER is (pejorative). Strong language is fine, just not directed at other members. Engage in good-faith and with respect! This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban.
Similarly, if you see posts along these lines, do not engage. Report them, block them, and live a happier life than they do. We see too many slapfights that boil down to "Mom! He's bugging me!" and "I'm not touching you!" Going forward, slapfights will result in removed comments and temp bans to cool off.
-
Rule 6: Memes, spam, other low effort posting, reposts, misinformation, advocating violence, off-topic, trolling, offensive, regarding the moderators or meta in content may be removed at any time.
-
Rule 7: We didn't USED to need a rule about how many posts one could make in a day, then someone posted NINETEEN articles in a single day. Not comments, FULL ARTICLES. If you're posting more than say, 10 or so, consider going outside and touching grass. We reserve the right to limit over-posting so a single user does not dominate the front page.
We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.
All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.
Lemmy World Partners
News !news@lemmy.world
Politics !politics@lemmy.world
World Politics !globalpolitics@lemmy.world
Recommendations
For Firefox users, there is media bias / propaganda / fact check plugin.
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/media-bias-fact-check/
- Consider including the article’s mediabiasfactcheck.com/ link
founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
If men have to sign up for the draft then it is only fair that women have to too. It’s unfair that only men have to risk being drafted and losing so much of their life to war.
Actually I rather if Drafting was abolished altogether
Personally, I think having a draft is a terrible idea regardless of gender.
They voted down adding women to this already bad idea. Potentially in the future, they remove the draft altogether.
I guess my point is, why would you want them to make the situation worse just so it is equal?
While I understand the pushback against military drafts/service requirements, they also can be a net positive for a culture that applies them equally regardless of gender, class or ethnicity. You are significantly less likely to support war if your children or grandchildren could potentially get dragged into it. Want to the majority of wars? Make it a law that the heirs of the rich must serve in the infantry during wartime.
Counterpoint: with a draft, people are less willing to support the government going to war.
Support for mandatory military service in Switzerland has been going up in recent years, so I wouldn't count on it.
Removing the draft is never on the table.
Oh give me a break, women are getting away worse in so many facets of life. When we have fixed discrimination against women we can talk about them doing mandatory civil service.
Edit: Did not know that on Lemmy we have such an issue with women's rights.
Nope, it is YOU who has an issue with equality. But then Men's blood is cheap to you right. So what if they get their limbs blown up. That's not suffering to you.
Do not bring up too many arguments.
I don't have to, you did all the dirty work for me.
If believing so makes you happy ☺️
Unfortunately a large majority of people have an issue with women's rights 🥲
So? Are we supposed to have a fair, equal society or are we playing these games of measuring each other's cocks?
Measure whatever you want but maybe first make it slightly more equal for the ones who have been disadvantaged for decades? But no, one party always focuses on the few things man have where they are slightly worse of.
You're right, men should just go die in a war they have no reason to fight and be happy about it.
No they should not? Nobody said that.
Also nobody who is in the army here actually believes they will ever see a war. Most people who serve just hate it and see it as a waste of time that will never amount to anything.
I'm a feminist and I honestly don't understand this mentality. Mixing genders in all activities is good for our society, period.
Not if said activity is forced upon you. Women can already voluntarily join the military or civil service.
So can men, but in this instance they're also compelled. The ask here is that if men are compelled to service, women should be too. That's obviously equal treatment and fair.
Am I in the wrong movie? Women are at a huge disadvantage in life (Gender pay gap, workplace representation, unpaid care and domestic work, education and job positions, healthcare, part-time employment, promotion and career advancement, violence against women, political representation) and we should work to solve that but for some reason we first want to force them to also serve in the military while leaving the current system in place that puts them at a disadvantage? Oh the heavens, men have to serve for a single year...yes that is super important, not all the things they get a huge advantage in life?
This is super twisted and infantalizing to women to be honest. We don't fight for equality by using equity logic that is faulty, we ask everyone, men and women to see women as equals in all areas of life. We're strong, resilient, capable and independent, and you're philosophy asks to maintain privilege ( not military draft ) because you think we face so much other issues, that you see that as equitable, but equity is often the incorrect solution to fairness, fairness is often blind, it says anything a man can do, women can do too. I want to be seen as an equal, not weaker. Women should be in positions of power, not protected and privileged, we are just as capable.
Nobody claimed that women are not capable. Where are all these weird claims coming from that nobody ever said a word about?
And nobody ever asked to maintain privilege. Claiming however that voting against this was in any way sexist is absolutely ridiculous as long as we maintain a system where women are not seen as equals but as unworthy of equal treatment.
So fighting inequality with more inequality? Doesn't sound like that would work no matter how you justify it.
all animals are equal but some are more equal than others (/s)
It doesn't sound like Lemmy has an issue with women's rights, it sounds like you have an issue with equal rights.
As a general rule, I oppose gender roles codified into law.
While i see the theoretical point of "if bad happens to men, it should happen to women too", i don't think it applies to heavily bad situations, especially with all the bad things already happening in disadvantage of women, and also especially war and especially from a pacifist perspective. Like no one says "if more women are raped than men, we should rape more men to make it fair". I know it's not the same situation its just a abusive comparison to strongly show the pertinence of a stance like "even if it's not fair, the most people we can get out of horrible situations the better it is".
Statistically woman do so much more care work then men, they already served the country well. There is no need to also draft them. It's only fair. It would also work if more men would take care of kids, the elderly or do other chores without any pay and skip any career for that.
This comment is pure comedy gold.
That’s great but we are talking about the draft, not domestic life. Women can take on roles in the armed services that mean some men won’t be forced into doing. Combat roles aren’t the entire thing, plenty of support roles that need filling out. Being drafted won’t be fun but if we want true equality then women have to help shoulder the burden when/if a draft happens. It’s a privilege to not have to worry about being drafted, giving that privilege up won’t be fun but it is fair.
Being drafted is different than doing chores or working in care roles. Everyone capable should be responsible for the defense of those who are not in times of war regardless of sex.
There are also plenty of care roles, and chores, in military service.
Yes more Men should take on the life outside of work, but that has nothing to do with 50% of a countries population being forced to give up and risk their lives while the other isn't even though they are capable of, and excel in, combat and support roles.
And working in factories, taking care of kids, and just existing are very much part of the war effort. And their lives are very much at risk during a war. Just ask Ukraine.
It is one of those knock-ons from (especially) WW1 and 2 where draft dodging and "conscientious objectors" were such a risk as more and more people came back from the front with grotesque wounds and mental trauma. A culture of "only cowards don't go to war" was built up VERY rapidly... and caused immense issues as young men were unable to fight due to physical ailments or mental trauma so bad that even the 1910s/40s cared.
Except also Rosie the Riveter and all that.
It all ties into the "myth" of "civilian targets" during a full scale war. EVERYONE can agree that blowing up a hospital is evil. What about a factory that makes shoes? What about one that makes boots? Shells? Similarly, EVERYONE can agree that blowing up a residential area is how you go to hell. Now about about a residential area on a military base? Now what about the barracks on a base? Are you only allowed to attack the enemy once they step foot off base?
And going back to that hospital... what about a power plant? Because a LOT of lives are lost when hospitals have extended outages. But those plants ALSO literally power the war effort.
Which is the reality of things. When you just have a massive global north military destroying a country in the name of "counter-terrorism"? Yes, the reality is that a lot of the terrorist/guerilla cells are going to fundamentally be in residential areas and next to hospitals both for optics and convenience. But there is a LOT of "oh... there were some hamas soldiers in that children's ward, sure" evil.
But when an entire country is mobilized for war? The distinction between civilian and military becomes INCREDIBLY murky. Which... we can very much see in Ukraine and russia.
Because, yes, you need people on the front line. You also need people on the backlines for logistics and support. And... you need people just living their lives so that there is something worth fighting for. Rotating troops back for leave is immensely important for morale and... if they return to a skeleton crew raising children in abandoned dormitories? They can never recharge from The War and that leave stops mattering. Which leads to rapid desertion and even worse mental trauma.
And... The Enemy is very aware of that.
*Looks at no man's land.
Yes, your point is beyond idiotic.
There is also the emprical evidence that women make less over the course of their careers. An extra year or two of work experience can help to offset that.
Obviously not everyone falls into those gender norm buckets. But... they are "gender norms" for a reason. And while I don't know how our trans friends impact that (or if Switzerland acknowledges their existence...), it isn't the worst way to break things down to having roughly half the population on the frontlines and the other half keeping the country running.
But this is the kind of thing that brings out the MRA tendencies in everyone as a kneejerk reaction.
Military service isn't "being on the frontline." I don't know how Switzerland handles it, but in the US a lot of aid work is done by reservists. I'm sure Switzerland does similar things with these people. Sure, they're also all trained to fight, but they aren't fighting in a war right now, so they use them to do other things. Some of that will be building bunkers and stuff, but a lot is probably doing things that support the country in other ways.