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[-] phdepressed@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 week ago

"a populist political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual, that is associated with a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, and that is characterized by severe economic and social regimentation and by forcible suppression of opposition"- merriam webster.

Autocratic-check Dictatorship-check Economic and social regimentation-check Suppression of opposition-check The only thing missing is nation/race above the individual and arguably their extremist theism could be considered sufficient for this as well.

[-] mech@feddit.org 71 points 1 week ago

Your "checks" apply to every dictatorship.
There is still a difference between fascism and theocracy. Words have meanings.

[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago

Words have meanings.

The world in 2025:

[-] Fondots@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

I'm all for splitting hairs over semantics, and I'll agree with you that "fascist" probably isn't the best label for Iran

But if you take a step back and look at the big picture, it does look a hell of a lot like fascism.

Extreme right wing, militaristic government, social and economic regimentation, charismatic, authoritarian dictators, focusing a whole lot of hatred and blame on people in the nation who don't conform and towards external enemies, etc.

I don't know that they're exactly nationalistic, but they do have religion filling pretty much that same role, and let's be real, the line's pretty damn blurry between religion and government there.

And they don't exactly make racial/ethnic superiority a centerpiece of their identity, but they're certainly not exactly sitting around singing "Kumbaya" with their minorities either, and again we have religion filling a pretty similar role in other ways.

You can get into the weeds about the specific philosophies at play here and about the history that led them to their current situation, and there's certainly merit in doing that, but as far as the casual observer is concerned, they do look and quack a hell of a lot like fascists, and while it's not the best label for what they have going on it's certainly not the worst either. I'd maybe prefer to slap a qualifier on it- something like pseudo-fascist, islamo-fascist, maybe something like "Farscism" if we want to get a little cutesy with the wordplay to separate it from "classic" fascism.

And similarly I'd probably want to slap a few qualifiers onto the term "theocracy" as well before applying it to Iran, I don't think that just that one word really points the whole picture.

And now that I'm looking at it, "fascist theocracy" might be a contender for how I'd label them.

[-] XTL@sopuli.xyz 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

The expression "A distinction without a difference" comes to mind.

[-] verdi@feddit.org 6 points 1 week ago

Not for idiots they don't!

[-] anomnom@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 week ago

Is a theocratic dictatorship and better than a fascist dictatorship?

The oppressed women and any non-Muslim (or even just non-strict-adherents) wouldn’t feel a difference.

[-] mech@feddit.org 14 points 1 week ago

No it's not better, and I didn't say it was.
But "bad" =/= "fascism".

[-] anomnom@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 week ago

Wait, when isn’t Fascism bad?

[-] mech@feddit.org 19 points 1 week ago

Work on your reading comprehension.

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 10 points 1 week ago

"a populist political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual, that is associated with a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, and that is characterized by severe economic and social regimentation and by forcible suppression of opposition"- merriam webster.

Well Merriam Webster is wrong. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism#Definitions. Fascism is a pretty complicated class of ideologies, but a characteristic attribute of fascism is always seeking enemies internal and external and "punishing" them and that is simply not present in Iran.

[-] Urist@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 week ago

fascism is always seeking enemies internal and external and "punishing" them

  1. Morality police definitely not hurting anyone. /s
  2. Iran is not in opposition to western imperialism at all, actually, they are surrounded by friends. /s

That being said, I don't think I would characterize Iran as fascist.

If you really want to define fascism, you need to understand how it appears:

Fascism is a counter-revolutionary reactionary movement led by finance capital and a form of dictatorship of the bourgeoisie which emerged during periods of economic crisis in imperialist countries. In other words, fascism is capitalism in decay.

Thus many of its characteristics becomes an aesthetic dependant on the specific material conditions and social superstructure of its origins.

[-] FishFace@piefed.social 10 points 1 week ago

Uh, doesn't Iran's government obsess over Israel and the USA, and people at home who don't follow Sharia?

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 12 points 1 week ago

Iran doesn't "obsess" about the US and Israel; they're geopolitical rivals with the US and Israel. This is like saying Russia or China obsess about the West. As for Sharia, I don't know shit about the Iranian justice system, but theocracy does not equal fascism. These are two completely different things.

[-] FishFace@piefed.social 8 points 1 week ago

Which of those refers to their geopolitical rivals as "great satan"?

But bringing in Russia is somewhat ironic here. Modern Russia has many fascist traits. Fascism is on the rise...

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 9 points 1 week ago

Which of those refers to their geopolitical rivals as "great satan"?

If someone does to you what America did to Iran you'd call them Satan too. There's still no basis for the fascism accusation; countries under fascism will do more than call their rivals bad words.

Modern Russia has many fascist traits.

Yes, and it's not because they hate America. Russia has everything from violence against minorities and expansionism to literal genocide. Contrast to Iran's somewhat aggressive but restrained foreign policy.

[-] FishFace@piefed.social 5 points 1 week ago

Mmm, Iran isn't the only country fucked by the USA, but they are an outstanding example of one that, decades later, still scapegoats the USA for all sorts.

Yes, and it’s not because they hate America.

I don't think Russia/Russians hate America. I do think they hate Ukrainians. But this conversation didn't start about hatred; it started about "enemies".

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 7 points 1 week ago

Okay you're either being disingenuous or you have no idea what you're talking about, and I don't care which it is. Educate yourself.

[-] tree_frog_and_rain@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Populist... It's the second word in your quoted definition probably because it's important

[-] Alaik@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 week ago

I wish people would read into Mussolinis own words on this. The asshole invented fascism and wanted to call it Corporatism. The US is essentially fascist. Iran is authoritarian.

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