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[-] brendansimms@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago

I see the downvotes and am choosing to extend the olive branch instead: I understand your perspective about how people who could not afford to buy a home would be shit outta luck, but this perspective limits itself to the boundaries imposed by the capitalist need to commidify basic human necessities. Homes should be guaranteed for everyone. Yes we have the resources and yes it is possible to do. In fact, all the empty homes already exist to house everyone in the states. It has nothing to do with 'good' or 'bad' landlords, the concept of a landlord is directly opposed to housing all people, as they are financially incentivized to maximize rent and to keep a pool of unhoused people in society with which to maintain the threat of homelessness. There is no invisible hand of the market.

[-] CannonFodder@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

Who pays for those government supplied homes? Are you happy to pay 20% of your pay check to pay for housing of the guy next door who doesn't bother to work?

[-] msage@programming.dev 11 points 6 days ago
[-] Kellenved@sh.itjust.works 10 points 6 days ago

It always come down to this lol doesn’t it?

“What? You wanna pay taxes to improve the life of your fellow humans for no personal gain?!?!”

Chad meme.jpg: yes I do

[-] msage@programming.dev 4 points 6 days ago

They don't understand that rising tide lifts all boats.

And only together we have built the world we live in now.

[-] CannonFodder@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago

Good for you. And what percentage of your income do to currently give to charities?

[-] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago
[-] CannonFodder@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago
[-] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago

Taxes ≠ charity. Yes really.

[-] CannonFodder@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago

Charity is voluntary taxes. I understand that the idea of taxes is that it forces everyone to pay their fair share. And I get that. But people advocating for higher taxes seem to usually be wanting other people's taxes to go up, but not their own. A lot of people are struggling these days and can't afford higher taxes.

[-] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago

Thanks for proving beyond the shadow of a doubt that you also don't understand the economy. Charity is not voluntary taxes. Charity is keeping money in circulation, just through different channels than normal. Taxes is removal of currency from the overall system. We literally used to burn the currency that was collected. Taxes are an anti-inflationary device that ends the government fiscal cycle.

[-] CannonFodder@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago

Well I don't know what country you're in, but in western countries the tax revenue is part of the budget where government spending is offset by tax revenue. Pretty much the only way money is destroyed is default loans.

[-] Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com 3 points 6 days ago

In most western countries (EU aside), governments have central banks capable of literally minting an unlimited amount of currency. The US government can create an unlimited amount of US Dollars, Canada with Canadian, UK with Pounds, Japan with Yen. If the government can, by definition and at a keyboard stroke, create as much currency as it wants, it becomes self-evident that the purpose of taxation cannot be the funding of the state, because the state can get an unlimited amount of funding without recurring to taxes.

Taxes are a form of money destruction, i.e., removal from the private sector. This serves anti-inflation purposes, but also can be used to redistribute wealth (by destroying more currency from individuals with more wealth than others), to discourage behaviors (destroy currency when consuming unhealthy products such as sugar of tobacco through specific taxes), and also importantly, to enforce the usage of your currency (if people are compulsorily and regularly taxed in one currency, they need to earn that currency, and if they don't they'll be subjected to penalties).

[-] CannonFodder@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago

That's one way to look at it, but not how the accounts are drawn. If they are creating more than they are 'destroying' then is that really destroying anything? Regardless, to control inflation, or to balance budgets, it's part of a complex system that balances resource availability, and promotes productivity.

[-] Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com 1 points 6 days ago

That's one way to look at it, but not how the accounts are drawn

The accounts ideologically being drawn otherwise is purely political, and the fact that neoliberalism propagates lies about the way taxes work is a tool to serve the powerful. If people realize we could just create money to make state-funded job guarantees with low risk of inflation, capital is fucked.

it's part of a complex system that balances resource availability, and promotes productivity

Austerity policy has kept Europe at essentially 0 net growth on average since 2008. That doesn't look too productive to me

[-] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago

Not in the US,where I live. It's an anti-inflationary device that happens after the money was printed and spent by the government, then the people. You don't know how the economy works.

[-] msage@programming.dev 3 points 6 days ago

I live in Europe, so most of my income goes to the state.

Paying that much is not a problem, if it actually was used to improve living conditions of those less fortunate.

[-] Fiery@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 6 days ago

I'm in Belgium which is probably worse than much of Europe in terms of taxation, and the only issue I have with the high taxes I pay is that there are way too many loopholes for the people earning a lot to avoid paying. So the strongest shoulders do not bear a proper amount of weight.

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