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doing what? they do the same to me every time they roll up to call me a tankie.
the point was that the US and its Israeli proxy have the most dead trans people on their hands right now due to killing civilians indescriminately.
I don't see what the comparison to Russian soldiers gets you in that quote, you realize that a war is different from a genocide of a captive population, right?
The initial premise is that there's been many trans deaths in Gaza. This is undeniable - that's just statistics. According to Hamas, there's been about 65,000 deaths in the genocide thus far. So it holds that there have been a horrifyingly large number of trans Palestinians killed.
The new premise as presented by SupraMario is that this is not the most deaths of trans people due to a conflict in the world right now, due to the war in Ukraine. The best count of confirmed deaths for Russian soldiers in Ukraine is around 80,000 (it is likely much higher, as their casualties are about 10x that number - but this is a very conservative measurement using only russian figures). By the same assumption as above, many of those 80,000 dead were trans. That's just statistics.
80,000 is larger that 65,000
I'm not sure how the political situation leading to someone's death changes their gender orientation.
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I'm sorry, I don't really know what to say beyond that. It's pretty self explanatory.
doing what?
You're seizing sentences entirely without care for the context and presenting them as evidence for your position. It reflects badly on your commitment to a good faith discussion, as it keeps happening, and has been repeatedly demonstrated.
That's the amount they've been able to confirm and count, not including all the indirect deaths caused by the enforced famine and widespread destruction of all civil infrastructure, it's in the hundreds of thousands.
it also feels like whataboutism, especially to have been bringing up military casualties in a peer conflict rather than a genocide of a captive population. Reducing them both 'conflicts' also kind of minimizes whats happening in Gaza.
What good faith discussion? the one that started with people calling me a tankie?
So Hamas, the government managing this, can't be trusted to report on it's own citizen's deaths - but a 40-year-retired diplomat to japan is a credible source? (Btw no, that figure explicitly includes deaths by famine and related wartime deprivations. One second on google and you'd know that. Hamas are actually capable of counting the piles of their own dead children - they've had more than enough practice by now.)
And pointing out that a claim is, by their own logic, mathematically incorrect is not a whattaboutism. Come on.
Namecalling isn't the discussion I was referring to, though I'll grant that there's many conversational threads in this post so keeping them straight is a royal pain...
of course it should, it's a captive population being exterminated by the US and 'Israel'
I honestly don't know how you people can exist in the world and be posting stuff like that. it's not a war, it's a concentration camp being emptied of people
It's what started this thread
So you agree with that number? So then... why try to discredit Hamas' ability to count, and why did you bring made up numbers into this? Why are you jousting at strawmen about "you people" when nobody here is denying the genocide is a genocide? Why behave like this at all, when all you do is discredit the causes you support with your actions?
It is embarassing that we're on the same side. You're doing more harm to our shared causes than all the good you've possibly ever done.
when nearly every hospital has been demolished it's not realistic to expect that their count is going to be the full picture. I don't know how else to spell that out to you, but the people who disappear under rubble or in the chaos of a hospital being destroyed aren't getting counted
the feeling is mutual
Do you ever think maybe you should read your sources before you post them? This is like the tenth time you've done this.
I truly appreciate you finding a source that so exhaustively backs up my / Supra's earlier claims, and for resoundingly disproving your own. Which wasn't even my goal, I don't even care, the actual genocide is much more important than the semantics you are hyperfixated on. Just move on, dude.
(You can't even think up a better retort than "No, u"?)
it's from June 2024, over a year ago, I hope you at least acknowledge that conditions have deteriorated and systemic errors in counting will remain.
on the report it says that the underreporting is ~40%, if that has continued or increased since then it means that the current stated number in 2025 is going to have a similar undercount. If it's 65k as reported by Hamas now then the real number is probably 40% higher.
This whole exchange stems from the statement that the The US/Israel have killed more trans people via this genocide than anywhere else on earth currently. The counterpoint was that "oh by that logic it's actually Ukraine killing Russians" by obsessing over the numbers rather than the power dynamics at play you tip your hand about where you really stand.
I don't take you seriously enough to continue this further, 'dude'
So you actually didn't read the article or understand the first thing about their methodology / conclusions at all, huh? Or maybe you just forgot to notice that my 65,000 claim is also a year old, because you were quoting a year old comment that used that number? So either the Hamas government was aware of the reporting issue and corrected it (which they publicly did...) or man they sure were good at guessing!
Yeah, I'm glad you're taking my advice to just move on. This has not been a great look for you.
(edit: Those edits.... oof. oof. It's rare you see someone trying to do a revisionist comment history)