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[-] jaybone@lemmy.zip 9 points 1 day ago

It’s really sad hearing about all of the protests there over the years since it was returned to China. And how they basically did nothing, despite so much effort. It doesn’t make me hopeful for what is going on in the US right now.

[-] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 8 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

You can't really compare China and HongKong to the United States. And I'm saying this as a Chinese American.

Mainland China has been ruled by monarchies for centuries, there has never in the history of China been a democratic government. There is literally nothing better in its history to compared to. From the PoV of someone living in China, the current regime is the best its ever been, because its true. In Qing dynasty, you say one bad thing about the Emperor, and you lose your head (beheaded in public), plus maybe your close relatives too. Modern China's authoritarianism compared to that is very tame, just imprisonment, and if first offence, you might get off on a public apology.

During KMT's rule, it wasn't really democracy, just a bunch of warlords and instability. Mainland China never had what modern day Taiwan has right now, and actual functioning democracy. So you can't really cherish the concept of democracy if you never had it.

Hong Kong was under colonial rule since the Qing Dynasty lost it to the british, so any democracy they might've had would not have been viewed as legitimate by Mainland Chinese. So the protesters flying a UK flag in the Hong Kong protests or some even flew the US flag, that would just feels like colonialism / foreign interference, at least that's what China's state media would portray. That's why Mainland Chinese people would never support Hong Kongers.

The US had somewhat of the democracy for the past 250 years, and since 1965 Civil Rights movement, from that moment up to Citizens United Ruling, the US had a democracy, flawed, but still resembles a democracy. The US actually has experienced a Democracy to be cherished. The US has a much better chance of actually turning this shit around and restore democratic rule. China never even had it in the first place.

Edit: Just to give an example. Even the mindset of the people are very different. If an American cop ask for peoples identification or ask to conduct a search, you'll see many people refusing, and some of them even are Sov-Cits. If the Chinese Police asked any Chinese Citizen to identify themselves or conduct a search, you'll almost never see anyone refuse.

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