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[-] GiddyGap@lemm.ee 33 points 11 months ago

I wish. The US is endlessly far behind on public transportation.

Talking to my own family members around the US, they only have eyes for their enormous gas guzzler pickup trucks that they use to run to the grocery store down the street.

[-] spyd3r@sh.itjust.works 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

We don't need public transportation, we have something better, personal transportation... We also have a robust network for air travel that will take you anywhere in the country in a few hours.

[-] GiddyGap@lemm.ee 28 points 11 months ago

You can have both. Europe has a great mix. So awesome to have the option to take the train or bus. They also have awesome road infrastructure in most places. Try comparing an American freeway to a German freeway. You feel like you're in a third world country when you come back to the roads in the States.

[-] Gsus4@mander.xyz 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

On the one hand, I hear the arguments that Europe has a higher population density, more hubs and smaller cities that make trains effective, but the same efficiencies and cost cuts can't be achieved in the US.

On the other hand, I played railroad tycoon and saw how trains and trams were extremely successful to quickly connect and develop a sparse US through efficient public intercity and in-city transport and feel disappointed with the lack of imagination 🥲

[-] GiddyGap@lemm.ee 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Europe as a whole is not a lot smaller than the US, so I think many of the same efficiencies can be achieved. China has also been able to do it very efficiently and is basically the same size as the US. Granted, they have a much larger population and more potential customers, but it can definitely be done.

[-] Gsus4@mander.xyz 2 points 11 months ago

As I said, lack of imagination. There is this bump in effort that has to be transposed to reach actual returns on investment because energy is too cheap and secure atm. But once that bump is transposed, there is a large landscape of gains, but they can't see past the bump.

[-] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

more hubs

USA has zero hubs because the transportation system is not developed even by the standards of the 1800s.

smaller cities

Yes, smaller cities can survive with decent transit. Sadly that's not going to happen in USA. It's a sad concrete wasteland.

[-] coffee_with_cream@sh.itjust.works 1 points 11 months ago

Careful, Godwin's Law might hear you 😂

[-] GiddyGap@lemm.ee 2 points 11 months ago
[-] Habahnow@sh.itjust.works 13 points 11 months ago

Personal transportation is extremely inefficient. You need to pay a bunch of money for something, in order to get around, and it is always space inefficient, bad for the environment and encouraged parking lot creation over housing.

[-] spyd3r@sh.itjust.works 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

It literally takes me exactly where I am going using the shortest possible route, no detours, stops or transfers, in the shortest possible time (excluding jetpacks or helicopters), that is peak efficiency of a mode of transportation.

[-] Habahnow@sh.itjust.works 3 points 11 months ago

You're missing price. Compare your trip to Public transit costs, and include infrastructure costs. You had to pay for your vehicle, your car insurance (which in the US there are irresponsibly low legal minimums), registration, gas, and also taxes for the infrastructure, to get yourself somewhere which takes up more room than needed (usually several times more room than a combination lf walking and public transit). Public transit only requires fare pricing, along with infrastructure, which is significantly cheaper per person due to more efficient use of space.

Compare many European metro cities to the US, and you'll notice their public transit is more convenient (in the characteristics you have pointed out) because we decided to shut ourselves in the foot as a country and forced everyone to have to get a car payment, while making public transit bad.

Of course, public transit isn't convenient for every area, such as rural towns in which personal vehicles are a better solution, but we have many cities where there should be significantly better public transit.

[-] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

shortest possible route

No. That would be a straight line like a train.

no detours, stops

Lmao. Whatever. Don't stop, genius.

the shortest possible time

That would be high speed rail.

[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

And even better! All this got rid of those pesky winters

[-] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 4 points 11 months ago

And even better! All this got rid of those pesky winters

And replaced it with an extended hurricane season.

[-] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 11 months ago

People driving around in personal tanks is not "something better".

It's dumb, privileged, unsustainable, unhealthy, violent, and literally destroying the planet.

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